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Posted by Molybdenum on May 16, 2008, at 20:25:45
In reply to One more question if you can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 17:10:23
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> Adding this more.
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> Why overdosing meds are not a good idea? I think overdosing Elavil will help to end this business besides I would not be taking Elavil alone. Will add more Cozaar Inderal and whatever toxic available. Still you think I won't die? I think you guys want to thwart me. Frankly, if I don't want to end up in coma and wake up vegetated you should help me. Tell me the fatal dose of Elavil.
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> please...Hi Again,
overdosing is a great idea, sorry "method". The problem is that unless you know a Vet - not the Vietnam war variety, you just don't have pleasant drugs available to you. The only pleasant ones on your list are the Xanax, etc and the lethal dose of those is so high, nobody can eat that much chalky crap. Your stomach isn't big enough. Unless you count choking on your own vomit a successful method???
Over the past 30 years pharmacologists have gotten very positive performance reviews at work for inventing drugs that have a huge gap in between "the therapeutic dose" and the "lethal dose". In contrast, the old barbiturate tranquillisers of the 1950s & 60s had a very narrow gap, so people killed themselves quite easily by taking a bottle - intentionally or not.
No good doc these days will prescribe them any more for this reason.
I thought you didn't want to have a horrible death? Even if you have enough Elavil its not going to be pleasant at all. Go look it up in Google. Just multiply the "bad side effects" by 100 and you'll get an idea of what it will feel like.
Eat [xxx] paracetamol tablets and you'll die too. It will take a few days but it's very effective. The paracetamol destroys your liver. So your body just gets more & more toxic and you turn yellow. What a horrible way to go.
And I really do believe your meds are to blame for your current state. HOW ELSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN FEELING SO BAD ON ALL THESE DRUGS??? You would prefer to feel good again rather than die, right? So why not give that a try. It's not like you can be worse off. So why not give it a try?
Come one..!
Posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 20:43:15
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
I think you have a lot of courage to post this. I feel like this most of the time but never have the nerve to "reach out." I read some of the responses.
I've had several attempts and two close ones. I walked a bridge for several hours in contemplation. Had huge blisters. Even in my darkest moments I kept thinking what if I change my mind in mid air?
I know it is cliché to say you don't know what tomorrow will hold, but how much "bad" time would you be willing to live with in the hopes of even a short span of wanting to live! Maybe while youre looking or working toward those times that might be good or just okay you can just let life pass by until things improve. Most days that is what I strive to do. Kind of put life off until I am able to actually live it. If I actually look at myself and how I feel and the hopelesness of it all all I want to do is die by any meens. Can you remember a time when you did want to live? Perhaps never contemplated it either way? Would you be willing to put in some hard time to see if you can get back to that? You have nothing to loose. Either you'll get there first or you'll die first. Why not take the chance that you'll get to a place that you want to live before you actually do die. Life is not very long. You are not going to suffer much longer than you have already lived. Imagine if you could look back afer you purposfully die and know then what might have been if you had only heald out!
I think I think a bit like this because many times I am so depressed I would tell my father "I am dieing" Really meening I have no life left. But his answer one time had some meening, he said "so am I, we all are."
I wish I had a real answer for you. I thank you so much for posting this and everyone else for their responses.
oky
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on May 16, 2008, at 21:02:58
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » garylee, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
Hi Pluto:
I wanted to mention that we are both on some similar medications. Prozac, Klonopin, Ativan, Amaryl (I am on 8mg!!...major type 2 diabetes) and was on Cozaar, but came off of it because it caused me some hefty suicidal thoughts. And trust me, I know what 'suicidal thoughts' feel like (15 years of them!), but these where much more intense. I say so because I tracked it down in the notes of my journal. I could see the week I started on Cozaar, and when I came off of it. I am not saying this drug, or that drug, or any drug will just all of a sudden make everything 'better', but like others have said, I think you may just have too much of everything in your body. I certainly am not going to preach about suicide being 'bad' or anything like that, because I have been there, I know what desperately wanting to end it feels like too. As do a number of others on here, and I know it doesn't make it easier, but give it that 'chance', maybe try changing or dropping some of your meds. (I'd like to add with a doc's care, but I know that isn't always possible.) When I am at that point of wanting to end it all, and I've laid in my bed, seriously with out-of-body experiences too often to recall, my 'salvation' I think is just mumbling to myself..."Something will come up....something will come up..". And with a little force on myself to change things, I have no idea how, it does get a bit better. Weird, I know. So, maybe try 'mumbling', or saying something with just a tiny, little bitty ounce of things somehow changing, and it's against all odds, but they can work. Maybe that is too optimistic for you, I don't know. Ya, I know, I am just crazy. Best of luck.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 21:04:12
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Pluto I have a favor to ask of you. It's really not that hard. Since I'm old now 62 and my productive years of life are basically over would you hang in there with me although we don't know each other. I do know you name from babble posting one that is for a week and see if we can figure out a plan for life. If you're not happy living with you wife and kids and don't have a lot of faith in your friends at work. Maybe you're do for a life change. Who says we can't change our lives. Sure some may get hurt. But you may find your nitch in life that is your own life. If you will hang on another week would you babblemail me? Lets talk? That's not asking a lot. Love Phillipa and ps I have related to your thoughts.
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 21:24:37
In reply to Re: Pluto » Pluto, posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 21:04:12
isnt pluto a dog on tv whos always smiling and eating good food? :)
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 23:35:48
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » garylee, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
Pluto I hope you will contact us and let us know you are okay. Percy right? Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 2:08:15
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Pluto, are you sure that you're not depressed because you've been demoted to a "dwarf planet"? I would be. You even have your own moon.
(I hope you can tolerate a bit of silliness).
Let's play "Can You Top This". Now, the only reason I'm doing this is so that you can get a feeling for how hard I have worked AND how many alternatives you really have. Navigating the pharmacopoeia in an effort to treat diseases of the brain or to bolster the milieu within which psychotherapeutic methods may be more effective is extremely tedious.
Rest. Gather your strengths. Move forward towards mental health. Yes, use your resourcefulness to create a plan - one that enhances your life rather than romances your death. What your mind has tolerated might be worse than what your biology dictates. Look for a new counselor. Like me, you might profit from a multimodal approach. CBT might help you to build a framework of positive thinking. You might have to work harder than me. For all I know, your situation might be worse than mine.
You have to want to.
I can't give you that. Nobody can. You must give it to yourself. Why don't you make a commitment to invest another 5 years? You MUST do some things differently, though. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Believe it or not, Albert Einstein said that. I fall into that trap sometimes myself.
- Scott
**************************************************Anyway, this is what I've had to put up with in an effort to seek a life worth living. I'm still working toward refining my treatment to attain full remission. Not all of these drugs were antidepressants, but include adjuncts from other classes.
adinazolam
amitriptyline
amoxapine
aripiprazole
atomoxetine
bromocriptine
bupropion
carbamazepine
chloral hydrate
chlorpromazine
clomipramine
clonazepam
clorgyline
d-amphetamine
desipramine
donepezil
doxycycline
duloxetine
escitalopram
fluoxetine
fluphenazine
gabapentin
idazoxan
imipramine
indalpine
isocarboxazid
l-methylfolate
lamotrigine
levetiracetam
lithium
lorazepam
memantine
methylphenidate
mifepristone
mirtazapine
moclobemide
modafinil
nomifensine
nortriptyline
olanzapine
oxcarbazepine
paroxetine
pemoline
phenelzine
PKU-8059
pregabalin
protriptyline
quazepam
quetiapine
reboxetine
riluzole
risperidone
selegiline
sertraline
sibutramine
sulpiride
temazepam
thioridazine
thyroxine T4
tiagabine
topiramate
tranylcypromine
trazodone
triazolam
triiodothyronine T3
trimipramine
valproate
venlafaxine
viqualine
zaleplon
ziprasidone
zolpidem
zonisamide
Partial List of Treatment Regimes:
----------------------------------PKU-8059
adinazolam
amoxapine
atomoxetine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
bupropion
clomipramine
clorgyline + lithium
clorgyline + lithium + trazodone
clorgyline + valproate
duloxetine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
escitalopram + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
fluoxetine
gabapentin
idazoxan
imipramine
imipramine + lamotrigine
imipramine + lamotrigine + gabapentin
imipramine + lamotrigine + olanzapine
imipramine + lamotrigine + quetiapine
imipramine + lamotrigine + valproate
imipramine + lithium
imipramine + lithium + T3
indalpine
isocarboxezid
lamotrigine
lamotrigine + gabapentin
lamotrigine + sulpiride
lamotrigine + sulpiride + modafinil
lithium
memantine + imipramine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
mirtazapine
moclobemide
modafinil + lamotrigine
nomifensine
nortriptyline + bupropion
nortriptyline + lamotrigine + ziprasidone
paroxetine
paroxetine + desipramine
pemoline
phenelzine
phenelzine + amitriptyline
phenelzine + desipramine
phenelzine + desipramine + carbamazepine
phenelzine + desipramine + valproate
phenelzine + imipramine + lamotrigine
phenelzine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole + l-methylfolate
protriptyline
reboxetine + lamotrigine
selegiline
sertraline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
sertraline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
tranylcypromine
tranylcypromine + bupropion
tranylcypromine + desipramine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + bromocriptine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + d-amphetamine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + d-amphetamine + T4
tranylcypromine + desipramine + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + methylphenidate
tranylcypromine + desipramine + olanzapine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + pemoline
tranylcypromine + desipramine + risperidone
tranylcypromine + desipramine + valproate
tranylcypromine + imipramine
tranylcypromine + imipramine + gabapentin
tranylcypromine + imipramine + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + imipramine + valproate
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole + oxcarbazepine
trazodone
venlafaxine
venlafaxine + imipramine + lamotrigine
venlafaxine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine
viqualine
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 5:29:59
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » Pluto, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 2:08:15
You can match up the generic names I've provided with the brand name as well as getting an idea as to what these drugs do pharmacologically here:
http://www.slschofield.com/medicine/psychiatric_drugs_chart.html
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 9:10:53
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 5:29:59
Posted by bulldog2 on May 17, 2008, at 9:17:55
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
I'm reading a book by Eckhart Toll entitled "A New Earth". Read it. Talks about living in the now. Most of us are programmed to think our happiness is dependent on things or situations. If I had a new car or a new job or a prettier wife etc. In your case you think you've done it all so you see no need to go on. Toll maintains our natural state is happiness. ever observe a dog. Just naturally happy.Happy to walk outside or just sit at a window and look outside. But we have to learn how to disconnect ourselves from our egos (our programmed thinking) and just live in the moment.I realize it's easier said than done. But it's time for all of us to challenge our belief systems.
Posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 11:44:56
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by bulldog2 on May 17, 2008, at 9:17:55
Friends,It is my life and you people are not supposed to shed tears. What the hell is going on? My problem is bloody serious and you guys will not understand it. Those who can give me their e-mail I will open my heart to them. Not to all, some people are very much into me. You guys... what is it with you...? Helping me will endanger you, and it is damn serious. Do you wanna help me then? You guys are living your life. I want to end this business. Only approach me with caution. anything can happen, because I am for death and you guys are for life.
Contact me on your own risk. OR what is babble mail? How to do it?
Posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 11:49:39
In reply to Found my thread.. friends I am alive but, posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 11:44:56
Friends,
I took more Lyrica and slept more. Consider 14 hours of sleep. Gee.. what happened? I don't care but I have to speak something to Phillippa , SLS and many of those who were seemed to be worrying of me. (what for? it is my life)
And one more question if allowed. How to babble mail? I would have given my mail id here, but how can I make sure those contacting me are babblers? Anybody can do it and I don't damn care those preachers.
There is a change I notice now. I took 900mg Lyrica overnight, and today I find my desktop pic Natalie Portman kinda beautiful. What a surprise.. I surfed some more galleries and those whom I used to see as black and white kinda boring pics are colorful now...! This kinda move will not be good. I will fall into depression again. My depression is unique. During depression, I am afraid of death. But now it is a child's play for me.
Anyway, How to do babble mail?
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:09:31
In reply to story so far..., posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 11:49:39
Pluto hi I will tell you how to babblemail and please babblemail me as I can relate I think. Okay. When you read a post from me do you see my name in blue? If so click on my name and a screen will appear. On that screen you can write me or anyone in blue a private message and then below the message a place that says send babblemail click on that and it will go to only the person who's name you chose. Not all people have babblemail on and like you their name is in black. So if you babblemail me you can give me your e-mail and I can in turn give you mine. And we can talk. I'm not afraid of your story. BTW I did read the archieves last night and looked up a lot of Plutos posts and hence how I found your name. Please click my name in blue and send me an e-mail on babblemail. Love Phillipa. I will be waiting.
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:15:31
In reply to Re: story so far... » Pluto, posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:09:31
Pluto if you wish to turn your own babblemail on so others can contact you go to registration there is a place that says babblemail yes or no click yes and then others can e-mail you by babblemail too. It is safe so do not fear just be civil is the rule. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 12:18:26
In reply to Found my thread.. friends I am alive but, posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 11:44:56
> Friends,
It is nice that you should consider some of us to be that.
> It is my life and you people are not supposed to shed tears.
"not supposed to" is not one of the immutable laws of the Universe.
It is my life, too. I can choose whom I care about. You are anonymous to me. I don't know much about you. However, I am sad when I see depression end up in suicide. I hate depression. It is the beast.
Anyway, what is it that you want us to understand? The answer to this question will help clear up any misunderstandings. You might get what you want.
- Scott
Posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 12:26:15
In reply to Re: story so far... » Pluto, posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:09:31
Phillippa your babble mail is off. why?
Posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 12:42:22
In reply to Re: Found my thread.. friends I am alive but, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 12:18:26
> > Friends,
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> It is nice that you should consider some of us to be that.
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> > It is my life and you people are not supposed to shed tears.
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> "not supposed to" is not one of the immutable laws of the Universe.
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> It is my life, too. I can choose whom I care about. You are anonymous to me. I don't know much about you. However, I am sad when I see depression end up in suicide. I hate depression. It is the beast.
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> Anyway, what is it that you want us to understand? The answer to this question will help clear up any misunderstandings. You might get what you want.
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>
> - Scott
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>Scott,
I can't say it in this public forum. Let me check your posts in other sections to know the person. Will you accept babble mail?
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:53:51
In reply to Phillippa your babble mail is off., posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 12:26:15
Pluto you just babblemailed me so it's on. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:59:46
In reply to Re: Phillippa your babble mail is off. » Pluto, posted by Phillipa on May 17, 2008, at 12:53:51
Pluto did you just turn yours on as I thought it was off last night or I would have babblemailed you. Phillipa
Posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 13:07:54
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Pluto,
I did not notice yesterday that you were taking LYRICA. I get extremely despondent and suicidal on it. It takes a couple weeks after I stop it for the complete devastation it causes me to dissipate.
I recently had neurological testing and mentioned this reaction to the neurologist. She replied that a lot of people have similar problems with it. I also read some other posts about people having the same reaction and a warniing to get in touch with your doctor immediatly if you have this response. I never thought I would get out of "it" (how the LYRICA made me feel). It just kind of reminds me of how you are posting now.
I've had bad reactions to lots of meds in the past but nothing compared to the negative effect it had on my mood, affect and life outlook.
How long have you been on it? What do you take it for?
Hope this helps.
oky
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 13:13:51
In reply to Re: Found my thread.. friends I am alive but, posted by Pluto on May 17, 2008, at 12:42:22
I would like to point out that you are experiencing a true biological mood-lift as a result of the Lyrica. It might not last that long, but it proves that your brain is capable of operating in a healthier manner. You probably are not treatment-refractory (resistant to initial treatments, yes). There are no guarantees, but I see this as a good sign that you are treatable. For what it is worth, Lyrica and Neurontin share the ability to bind to the alpha2delta subunit of the calcium channel. I wouldn't be surprised if Neurontin did something positive. Lyrica is probably a better choice, though.
You may need something to slow your thoughts down and keep them positive. When someone is in a genuinely suicidal state, as you are, I recommend taking a look at Zyprexa. It will clear up thinking and give you new perspectives on how your world operates. I believe that there is a neurobiological substrate for suicide. Zyprexa can reorganize brain circuits so that you don't feel such an urgency. I use Abilify for this, but Zyprexa works better and can work within a few hours to a few days.
Regarding e-mail, I am a private person and set limits as to how close I let people get to me. I'm sure you can respect that. Having boundaries is very important to me. It keeps me healthy.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 13:17:10
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » Pluto, posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 13:07:54
> I get extremely despondent and suicidal on it. It takes a couple weeks after I stop it for the complete devastation it causes me to dissipate.Me too. Exactly. You might need to steer clear of Neurontin. Both drugs screw me up for weeks after discontinuing them. Interestingly, both drugs actually made me feel better during the first week.
- Scott
Posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 13:35:38
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 13:17:10
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> > I get extremely despondent and suicidal on it. It takes a couple weeks after I stop it for the complete devastation it causes me to dissipate.
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> Me too. Exactly. You might need to steer clear of Neurontin. Both drugs screw me up for weeks after discontinuing them. Interestingly, both drugs actually made me feel better during the first week.
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> - Scott
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>Scott,
Not meaning to hijack this thread but thanks. I did try Neurontin in the hope that I would get help with the pain like lyrica but not the negative depression. It was different I had more affect by crying and it did not help the pain. I also initially had a positive response to the Lyrica. Was never sure if it was the extreme pain relief or actually some relief from the depression itself for me.
I just saw the pest to Pluto about Lyrica from you. I did not mean to imply he was having this negative reaction. Hello Pluto! But that it could be possible and might be worth seeing how he responds to not being on it for a while. What do you think? I would always defer to you about knowledge on these topics.
oky
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 16:09:07
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » SLS, posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 13:35:38
> >
> > > I get extremely despondent and suicidal on it. It takes a couple weeks after I stop it for the complete devastation it causes me to dissipate.
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> > Me too. Exactly. You might need to steer clear of Neurontin. Both drugs screw me up for weeks after discontinuing them. Interestingly, both drugs actually made me feel better during the first week.
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> > - Scott
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> Scott,
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> Not meaning to hijack this thread but thanks. I did try Neurontin in the hope that I would get help with the pain like lyrica but not the negative depression. It was different I had more affect by crying and it did not help the pain. I also initially had a positive response to the Lyrica. Was never sure if it was the extreme pain relief or actually some relief from the depression itself for me.
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> I just saw the pest to Pluto about Lyrica from you. I did not mean to imply he was having this negative reaction. Hello Pluto! But that it could be possible and might be worth seeing how he responds to not being on it for a while. What do you think?You might very well be right. I think Pluto needs to take a good look at that.
> I would always defer to you about knowledge on these topics.
I've got you fooled too.
;-)
- Scott
Posted by okydoky on May 17, 2008, at 17:36:54
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » okydoky, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 16:09:07
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