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Posted by Mikez on December 17, 2007, at 13:47:11
I have had poor quality sleep for the past 2 odd years. Im sure those here are MORE than familiar with tdisruption in sleep. In July i tried low dose seroquel. In one day, my sleep cycle was 100% normalized, and I was 100% satisfied with my sleep...I was accomplishing much more each day and feeling so refreshed.
I havnt been on sleeping pills for more than 2 months now. My sleep is very bad..I barely feel tired enough until past 3 am and wake up a lot. So, Im thinking to myself now, why NOT be on seroquel forever? I mean thats what we are all after right? To not suffer anymore? IF someone gave you a pill that completely took away one particular symptom , is it even a downfall that you have to be "reliant" on it forever" Now I know we are obviously reliant on mood meds, but i guess its just hard for me to give in to one more aspect of my life controlled by pills (ie mood, not sleep?)... but if it ends the suffering, why not!
That also leads me to question is seroquel in low doses for years on end safe? And can people build tolerance to it?
Would love to hear peoples experiences with it (for sleep purposes only).
I am have depression with anxiety by the way.
Posted by Maxime on December 17, 2007, at 17:23:16
In reply to Seroquel forever?, posted by Mikez on December 17, 2007, at 13:47:11
With so many meds coming out, I doubt that any of us will be on anything forever.
I used Seroquel for sleep a few years ago and I eventually got used to 25 mg. Then I bumped to 50 mg and I got used to that. I bumped it to 75 mg and it didn't help at all.
All that being said, I still think you should take. Like you wrote, if something works so well, why not use it.
Sweet dreams.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on December 17, 2007, at 21:26:49
In reply to Re: Seroquel forever? » Mikez, posted by Maxime on December 17, 2007, at 17:23:16
I'd use it too but remember basically new meds so who knows what potential side effects down the road and Maxime is right new meds all the time hope they come out with a benzo that's not addictive. Phillipa
Posted by Mikez on December 18, 2007, at 0:08:39
In reply to Re: Seroquel forever?, posted by Phillipa on December 17, 2007, at 21:26:49
Does anyone have any experience with doxepin compared to seroquel? I have heard its suitable for long term use.
Posted by Darwin on December 18, 2007, at 14:03:35
In reply to Doxepin?, posted by Mikez on December 18, 2007, at 0:08:39
I have not tried Seroquel but I have tried doxepin. I noticed that the soporific effects of doxepin declined significantly after one or two months.
Darwin
Posted by Mikez on December 18, 2007, at 14:21:58
In reply to Re: Doxepin? » Mikez, posted by Darwin on December 18, 2007, at 14:03:35
Thats for your experience Darwin...what did you manage to do to combat this?
Posted by cubic_me on December 18, 2007, at 14:31:21
In reply to Seroquel forever?, posted by Mikez on December 17, 2007, at 13:47:11
Strangely I went to a talk on seroquel yesterday, where they talked about long term use (primarily in the context of relapse prevention in bipolar disorder), where studies cited by them showed it to be benificial versus placebo, though not yet lisenced (in the UK).
I realise that presentations from drug companies are likely to be biased, however they have obviously started to look at its long term use, so it could be an option for you to stay on long term. Have you discussed it with your pdoc?
Posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2007, at 19:05:04
In reply to Re: Doxepin?, posted by Mikez on December 18, 2007, at 14:21:58
Is doxepin same as pamelor as this knocked me out at l0mg? Phillipa
Posted by Maxime on December 18, 2007, at 19:32:06
In reply to Re: Doxepin? » Mikez, posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2007, at 19:05:04
> Is doxepin same as pamelor as this knocked me out at l0mg? Phillipa
No, Doxepin also goes by the following names: Sinequan, Adapin, Aponal, Poldoxin, Quitaxon, Desidox, Doneurin, Doxal, Doxedyn.
Maxime
Posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2007, at 19:50:19
In reply to Re: Doxepin? » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on December 18, 2007, at 19:32:06
Thanks Maxie you sure know your meds. I could have googled just didn't. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on December 18, 2007, at 21:12:12
In reply to Re: Doxepin? » Maxime, posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2007, at 19:50:19
> Thanks Maxie you sure know your meds. I could have googled just didn't. Love Phillipa
Its related to Pamelor only by having 3 rings (tricyclic) -- Pamelor is nortriptyline, which is the metabolite of amitriptyline. If you're not used to any of the above, it will knock you out cold the first time you use them. Doxepin/dothiepin quickly changes (usually) and one becomes used to the sedation. It is sometimes used for short term sleep loss but eventually only helps going to sleep (for some people anyhow) For you if you chose out of this family I would suggest clomipramine (Anafranil) which is used for OCD/Panic. But it is sedating.
Posted by Phillipa on December 18, 2007, at 23:52:29
In reply to Re: Doxepin? » Phillipa, posted by yxibow on December 18, 2007, at 21:12:12
Jay l0mg of pamelor had me plastered to the bed at 2pm when I used to get up at 9am. I couldn't move. Pdoc said good you need the sleep. But come on l0mg!!!!!! So it's nortriptalline what Scott is on. But its weight gaining will google that one thanks . Phillipa
Posted by clipper40 on December 24, 2007, at 19:07:33
In reply to Doxepin?, posted by Mikez on December 18, 2007, at 0:08:39
I've never taken Seroquel but I've taken doxepin for over 20 years. It still helps with sleep, anxiety and allergies. I sometimes need to take something else to get to sleep but doxepin always keeps me asleep. Without it I wake up after a short while and can't get back to sleep at all.
My feeling is why take a neuroleptic when there's something else out there that's safer (or at least that has been tested for long-term use).
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