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Posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2007, at 15:14:19
Interesting question as when working okay I'm not now but I discovered in checking patients charts on the psch floor labs that a high proportion had thyroid disorders. Anyone have any comments. As I believe it to be so as I was okay til my low thryoid. Thanks Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 15:21:38
In reply to Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2007, at 15:14:19
> Interesting question as when working okay I'm not now but I discovered in checking patients charts on the psch floor labs that a high proportion had thyroid disorders. Anyone have any comments. As I believe it to be so as I was okay til my low thryoid. Thanks Phillipa
Hard to make a call on this one. I think you're looking to hear that thyroid problems cause psch problems. I don't think we can necessarily draw that conclusion. It's more likely that the meds are causing the thyroid problems. Psych meds seem to mess up hormones in general.
Posted by KayeBaby on April 20, 2007, at 16:08:11
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 15:21:38
My guess is that HPA axis is skewed in some way in many people with psych problems. Thyroid would fall under this umbrella, right.
It seems that one gland being out of whack effects the others in turn.
I benefitted greatly from a short stint on thyroid hormone and then it made me hyper and I had to get off of it. But, I seemed to have retained the benefits leading me to believe that my thyroid might not have been my exact issue but maybe it tweaked my adrenals or something.
Peace,
Kaye
Posted by Ines on April 20, 2007, at 17:18:28
In reply to Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2007, at 15:14:19
Hey Phillipa,
I've never had it checked but pdoc has just asked for full bloodwork, including thyroid, so I'll know in a couple of weeks.
Ines
Posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 17:37:06
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by Ines on April 20, 2007, at 17:18:28
> Hey Phillipa,
> I've never had it checked but pdoc has just asked for full bloodwork, including thyroid, so I'll know in a couple of weeks.
> InesOkay I just had my thyroid checked and it's fine. In some cases a screwed up thyroid could cause psych problems. From what I've read chronic stress causes adrenal fatigue which affects the thyroid which can cause depression. So in those cases correcting the adrenals and thyroid might help with the depression. But stress still has to be controlled probably with meds. The problem is finding any doc that has any idea about adrenal fatigue and how to treat it. Most laugh at the notion and do not acknowlegege it even exists.
BUT adrenal fatigue must be corrected to properly adjust thyroid. If your doc doesn't address the adrenals than thyroid med adjustment will make you jittery. Apparently cortisol affects how your body reacts to t3 and t4.
Posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2007, at 19:15:44
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 15:21:38
In my own case it was when my thyroid became hypo that I needed meds and had all kinds of wierd things happen like vertigo no my ears were fine. I agree about the adreanal fatigue too. Stupid endo only did one draw not even a 24hour saliva test or the administration of a med to stimulate the adreanals with a follow-up blood test. And the throid effects all your hormones. Love Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 22:48:48
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 20, 2007, at 19:15:44
> In my own case it was when my thyroid became hypo that I needed meds and had all kinds of wierd things happen like vertigo no my ears were fine. I agree about the adreanal fatigue too. Stupid endo only did one draw not even a 24hour saliva test or the administration of a med to stimulate the adreanals with a follow-up blood test. And the throid effects all your hormones. Love Phillipa
Most endos don't know all the correct tests to run to detect adrenal problems. You usually have to find an anti-aging hormone doctor to address that issue. I read in a book about the adrenals of depressed people being much larger than normal due to all the stress upon them. Many hormonal problems start with the adrenals and cascade to the other hormones. Supposedly some ad's will correct adrenal function by down regulating norepinephrine.
Posted by Iansf on April 20, 2007, at 23:26:14
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 15:21:38
> Hard to make a call on this one. I think you're looking to hear that thyroid problems cause psch problems. I don't think we can necessarily draw that conclusion. It's more likely that the meds are causing the thyroid problems. Psych meds seem to mess up hormones in general.
>I was diagnosed with low thyroid before I started taking psych meds. At the same time, I've never noticed much difference between being on thyroid meds and off them. Occasionally I've stopped just to test the results, and I could not distinguish between being on synthroid or off it in terms of mood, energy level, propensity to illness or anything. My test results come back showing low thyroid function, but I'd never know it empirically.
Posted by nellie7 on April 21, 2007, at 12:45:34
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 17:37:06
Hi Bulldog,
>If your doc doesn't address the adrenals than thyroid med adjustment will make you jittery. Apparently cortisol affects how your body reacts to t3 and t4.
What is it that would make a person jittery on thyroid meds- low or high cortisol?
Thanks,
Nellie.
Posted by bulldog2 on April 21, 2007, at 13:44:02
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on » bulldog2, posted by nellie7 on April 21, 2007, at 12:45:34
> Hi Bulldog,
>
> >If your doc doesn't address the adrenals than thyroid med adjustment will make you jittery. Apparently cortisol affects how your body reacts to t3 and t4.
>
> What is it that would make a person jittery on thyroid meds- low or high cortisol?
>
> Thanks,
> Nellie.
>
>See my thread on the adrenal/thyroid connection.
Posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:06
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 20, 2007, at 22:48:48
Bulldog which ones as his test on adrenals is negative? See the pdoc Tuesday. Suggestions. Love Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on April 22, 2007, at 13:46:35
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on April 21, 2007, at 18:38:06
> Bulldog which ones as his test on adrenals is negative? See the pdoc Tuesday. Suggestions. Love Phillipa
His one test is probably worthless. Normal or negative is usually such a broad range that only grossly out of range problems are detected. You really need an anti-aging doc that specializes in the adrenals as most convential docs really only recognize obvious pathology as opposed to subclinical deficiancy.
Posted by bulldog2 on April 24, 2007, at 14:10:09
In reply to Re: Survey How Many With Throid Problems And Psych on, posted by bulldog2 on April 22, 2007, at 13:46:35
I was reading that high cortisol can reduce the conversion of t4 to t3 which is the boiactive form of thyroid. Therefore for some people synthroid which is t4 is not the ideal thyroid med for replacement. Some docs feel that thyroid meds should be a mix of t4/t3. Don't let them just test t4 as t3 is just as important.
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