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Posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:45:29
Hi all, hope ya doing well.
Ive had a few weird little experiences latly. Ive been abusing alcohole and benzo's,,, like 8mg's of clonazapam, ahhh 60mg's of Seropax (called Serax in the US) & about half a bottle of spirits in a day...
Then the next day Im like ahhhhh don't wanna look for work, dont wanna play computer games, dont wanna watch a movie, cant move no energy...
Is this called Benzo withdrawl? Im not really anxious or anything just REALLY bored & depressed.
But then I slept for like 14hrs (and Im an insomniac) got up & had 8 spoon fulls of coffee & I was all good again, went for a run.
Is there any other stimulants you can take on MAOI's, (not that I plan on drinking or benzoing again for another month or so)
Posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:51:54
In reply to Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:45:29
I know some of you psyco's take amphetamines on MAOI's...(thats a weird thing to) Once I took 75mg's of Nardil with 20mg's of Dex amphetamine at the same time and spewed my guts up & had the worst migrain ever And couldn't stand up for days,,, luckily I had some pindolol on hand. (are you supposed to not take em both at once or something)... Anyways I dont think it could be good for you. Ive smoked meth and snorted it before on Nardil without a problem so I dunno.
Posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:54:26
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:51:54
Anyways what else can I take aside from coffee.
Ginseng is completly crap.
Green tea I might give another try but Im gonna have to skull allot of it.
Anything else??????????
Posted by kelv on February 22, 2007, at 7:36:51
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:54:26
> Anyways what else can I take aside from coffee.
> Ginseng is completly crap.
> Green tea I might give another try but Im gonna have to skull allot of it.
> Anything else??????????hey there dude,
You might wanna put that Crank pipe down for a while and lay off it a bit, it rots your Brain and Teeth.
Posted by laima on February 22, 2007, at 9:33:02
In reply to Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:45:29
Benzo withdrawal would be more like severe agitation and anxiety, amongst other things. Depression too, yes.> Then the next day Im like ahhhhh don't wanna look for work, dont wanna play computer games, dont wanna watch a movie, cant move no energy...
> Is this called Benzo withdrawl? Im not really anxious or anything just REALLY bored & depressed.
Posted by laima on February 22, 2007, at 9:35:34
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 6:51:54
Any stim with MAOI needs to be very carefully monitored- and the dose of stimulant would be much lower than one would use without the MAOI. Not at all a hot idea to be haphazard about it. You could end up with a hypertensive crisis this way.
Posted by willyee on February 22, 2007, at 11:24:24
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!! » FrequentFryer, posted by laima on February 22, 2007, at 9:35:34
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> Any stim with MAOI needs to be very carefully monitored- and the dose of stimulant would be much lower than one would use without the MAOI. Not at all a hot idea to be haphazard about it. You could end up with a hypertensive crisis this way.Have u tried simple 7-11 caffiene tabs,pure caffiene?Not the same as caffiene found in sodas etc
Posted by FrequentFryer on February 22, 2007, at 16:17:21
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by willyee on February 22, 2007, at 11:24:24
yeah I didn't like them much, more shakey and anxious then coffee.
> >> > Any stim with MAOI needs to be very carefully monitored- and the dose of stimulant would be much lower than one would use without the MAOI. Not at all a hot idea to be haphazard about it. You could end up with a hypertensive crisis this way.
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> Have u tried simple 7-11 caffiene tabs,pure caffiene?Not the same as caffiene found in sodas etc
Posted by Crazy Horse on February 23, 2007, at 10:02:03
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by willyee on February 22, 2007, at 11:24:24
> Have u tried simple 7-11 caffiene tabs,pure caffiene?Not the same as caffiene found in sodas etcWillyee, how is it that (caffeine tabs)are different than caffeine found in soda and coffee? I always thought 'caffeine was caffeine.'
-Monte
Posted by laima on February 23, 2007, at 15:22:20
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by Crazy Horse on February 23, 2007, at 10:02:03
I was wondering that, too.> Willyee, how is it that (caffeine tabs)are different than caffeine found in soda and coffee? I always thought 'caffeine was caffeine.'
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> -Monte
Posted by FrequentFryer on February 23, 2007, at 18:03:19
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by Crazy Horse on February 23, 2007, at 10:02:03
I tried them ages ago and it was kind of a nasty, jittery stimulation, but might try them again.
Would a HUGE dose of Green Tea do anything???
Also the health food lady said something about co-enzyme q-10,,, whats that?
> > Have u tried simple 7-11 caffiene tabs,pure caffiene?Not the same as caffiene found in sodas etc
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> Willyee, how is it that (caffeine tabs)are different than caffeine found in soda and coffee? I always thought 'caffeine was caffeine.'
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> -Monte
Posted by willyee on February 25, 2007, at 9:53:19
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!! » Crazy Horse, posted by laima on February 23, 2007, at 15:22:20
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> I was wondering that, too.
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> > Willyee, how is it that (caffeine tabs)are different than caffeine found in soda and coffee? I always thought 'caffeine was caffeine.'
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> > -Monte
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Not sure exactly,perhaps the dose is not pure,since there are many many incative ingredients not too mention all the pounds of sugar etc,the tabs have caffiene as the ONLY ingredient and are pharmictucaly pure,dunno perhaps its a individual thing,also the dosage being precise,and being able to adjust it down to a science has always been a plus for me with any substance,for instance aspirin are in a lot of weight loss products and products in general,however most people wont use the varied amount in these over a standard actual aspirin tablet,who knows i can be wrong for sure.
Posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 9:59:54
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by willyee on February 25, 2007, at 9:53:19
Well, thanks for the response. One thing I thought of later is that such tablets might be appealing to people who don't like coffee, and another thing I thought of is that maybe they can deliver a huge dose of caffeine in one go. Ha! Some people might even worry about staining their shiny white teeth. Some people's stomaches get upset from large amounts of coffee, too.
Posted by willyee on February 26, 2007, at 0:12:45
In reply to Re: caffeine tabs » willyee, posted by laima on February 25, 2007, at 9:59:54
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> Well, thanks for the response. One thing I thought of later is that such tablets might be appealing to people who don't like coffee, and another thing I thought of is that maybe they can deliver a huge dose of caffeine in one go. Ha! Some people might even worry about staining their shiny white teeth. Some people's stomaches get upset from large amounts of coffee, too.Coffe grind itself has its own constitutes,which is why u find people who say they cant calm in the morning till they have there coffee,so its a major co factor.Also the caffiene will not behave like it normaly would if its used to counter fight parnate fatique,i promise u,it will be very mild in this manner.
Posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 7:52:41
In reply to Re: caffeine tabs, posted by willyee on February 26, 2007, at 0:12:45
So are you saying the caffeine tablets are more potent stimulants than even umpteen cups of coffee? That some other ingredients in the coffee itself negate some of the stimulation? That's quite interesting, I've never heard that before. Yes, I too have noticed that coffee is absoluetly useless against some sorts of, how shall we say, "unstimulated" states-especially when a drug is the major culprit.> Coffe grind itself has its own constitutes,which is why u find people who say they cant calm in the morning till they have there coffee,so its a major co factor.Also the caffiene will not behave like it normaly would if its used to counter fight parnate fatique,i promise u,it will be very mild in this manner.
Posted by willyee on February 26, 2007, at 16:37:54
In reply to Re: caffeine tabs » willyee, posted by laima on February 26, 2007, at 7:52:41
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> So are you saying the caffeine tablets are more potent stimulants than even umpteen cups of coffee? That some other ingredients in the coffee itself negate some of the stimulation? That's quite interesting, I've never heard that before. Yes, I too have noticed that coffee is absoluetly useless against some sorts of, how shall we say, "unstimulated" states-especially when a drug is the major culprit.
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> > Coffe grind itself has its own constitutes,which is why u find people who say they cant calm in the morning till they have there coffee,so its a major co factor.Also the caffiene will not behave like it normaly would if its used to counter fight parnate fatique,i promise u,it will be very mild in this manner.
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>Definalty,search coffe,and you will see the varying constitutes in it.Hence decaffinated coffe etc,caffiene is a mere part of coffee,not the main ingredient.
Posted by Michael on February 28, 2007, at 20:36:38
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!! » FrequentFryer, posted by laima on February 22, 2007, at 9:35:34
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> Any stim with MAOI needs to be very carefully monitored- and the dose of stimulant would be much lower than one would use without the MAOI. Not at all a hot idea to be haphazard about it. You could end up with a hypertensive crisis this way.
I took 20 mg dexedrine w/Parnate (40 mg, I think). Same as my usual dose of dexedrine. They can be taken together, but you do have to be very carefull, especially when starting it - it can cause a hypertensive crisis, (as you noted) which can be lethal....But it can be done, albiet w/a great deal of caution. Though I'd assume that not everyone would be able to take them together... you know - the old YMMV adage.
michael
Posted by laima on February 28, 2007, at 22:17:16
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by Michael on February 28, 2007, at 20:36:38
Yes, factors like one's blood pressure can be the difference between fantastic augmentation strategy and disaster. I personally keep an eye on things with a blood pressure meter. No experiments or messing around.
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> > Any stim with MAOI needs to be very carefully monitored- and the dose of stimulant would be much lower than one would use without the MAOI. Not at all a hot idea to be haphazard about it. You could end up with a hypertensive crisis this way.
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> I took 20 mg dexedrine w/Parnate (40 mg, I think). Same as my usual dose of dexedrine. They can be taken together, but you do have to be very carefull, especially when starting it - it can cause a hypertensive crisis, (as you noted) which can be lethal....
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> But it can be done, albiet w/a great deal of caution. Though I'd assume that not everyone would be able to take them together... you know - the old YMMV adage.
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> michael
Posted by Michael on February 28, 2007, at 22:29:07
In reply to Re: Stimulants for MAOI users!!, posted by laima on February 28, 2007, at 22:17:16
I agree completely - I did the same.
michael
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> Yes, factors like one's blood pressure can be the difference between fantastic augmentation strategy and disaster. I personally keep an eye on things with a blood pressure meter. No experiments or messing around.
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