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Posted by deniseuk190466 on January 3, 2007, at 13:41:50
Hi,
The 40mg of Seroxat that had been working relatively well for two years seemed to stop working in 2005. I remember what I was doing and how I felt when the symptoms of my depression came back. Tightness in jaw etc (doesn't sound like a lot I know but I recognise it).
So I keep thinking how could I at least get back to the place (in my head) that I was in 2003 when the Seroxat at 40mg had worked.
Prior to that I had been on Effexor for a couple of months (felt more relaxed on Effexor but still depressed), then lamical on it's own which didn't seem to do anything and then Nardil for a month which took away the anxiety but I still had suicidal thoughts on it. Whereas before the suicidal thoughts had been I cannot stand this for one moment more and I'm gonna hurl myself off a cliff, on the Nardil I felt less desperate and it the suicidal thoughts were more relaxed, I used to fantasise about a nice kindly man who would come into my room and give me an injection that would put me to sleep for ever. On the Nardil I felt less desperate, I didn't care still but didn't care that I didn't care if that makes sense.
I tried Nardil again last year in the hope that going on it and then coming off it and then going back on the Seroxat would somehow trigger the Seroxat back into working (I know this all sounds like complete madness) but this idea didn't work. The Nardil made me feel very stoned and very out of it, my speech was very slurred on it and I felt incapable of doing anything. but I did go quite high, up to 90mg, very quickly.
Because the Mirtazapine I have been taking has not been working and because the Doctor at Willow View day care centre has refused to prescribe anything else and because I have no seroxat left, I decided to give the Nardil another go as I have an almost full bottle in my drawer. Believe me I hate being like this but I hate not trying anything. I have to keep trying something.
So I've been on Nardil at 15mg for over a week and have now increased it to 30mg. I don't feel stoned like I did before, I do feel more sociable and more relaxed but I do have this uneasy feeling, this sort of feeling that something isn't right. I also feel very morbid on it.
I was wondering if this is likely to pass, how long, in other peoples experience does it take for Nardil to kick in and at what dose?
I was also wondering if I stayed on Nardil for a long period of time (say three months) afterall this is bearable, would maybe Seroxat work again at some point. I have to admit I don't know what I'm doing, I'm not even sure if my psychiatrist would go along with me continuing on Nardil and the fact that I'm taking it on my own volition because I had some left over in my drawer would just reinforce his opinion of me and give him more amunition to throw at me as being a non-compliant, controlling patient.
Just wanted to hear other peoples experiences on Nardil, or on having a break from one drug (that was working) for a long period of time and then going back on it again at a later date.
Thanks.....Denise
Posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2007, at 14:51:59
In reply to Nardil revisisited for the third time., posted by deniseuk190466 on January 3, 2007, at 13:41:50
Once small doses of paxil worked for me and then luvox now nothing. And in between been on others. Love Phillipa
Posted by blueberry1 on January 4, 2007, at 5:11:28
In reply to Nardil revisisited for the third time., posted by deniseuk190466 on January 3, 2007, at 13:41:50
Just remember, I didn't say this. Somebody else did. I am just quoting. "The true definition of mental illness is when someone keeps trying the same things that don't work over and over."
That could easily apply to your doctor who may be more mentally ill than you are.It's really aweful the doctor won't try you on other things. That's ridiculous.
You've already been the nardil route twice with not good results. I wouldn't go there again if I were in your shoes. I would get on the internet and order whatever other drug I wanted to try. You can get just about anything easily except controlled substances. If your doctor is going to force you into a situation where you have to make your own decisions, fine. Just don't limit yourself to what you have onhand. Try something new. Zoloft? Prozac? Wellbutrin? Other?
Posted by cgd092 on January 4, 2007, at 14:22:35
In reply to Nardil revisisited for the third time., posted by deniseuk190466 on January 3, 2007, at 13:41:50
You wrote, "I do have this uneasy feeling, this sort of feeling that something isn't right. I also feel very morbid on it."
I still have morbid feelings/thoughts, but I call it existential angst. My psychologist has been able to help me some with those. But I think that other feeling you describe, that 'something isn't right,' is anxiety. I call it 'no sense of well being.' I think it means all of your anxiety hasn't been kicked out yet.
Posted by deniseuk190466 on January 5, 2007, at 12:02:41
In reply to Re: Nardil revisisited for the third time., posted by cgd092 on January 4, 2007, at 14:22:35
Blueberry,
Thanks for your response. I've tried Zooloft, Wellbutrin and Prozac and they didn't work, although I only tried Wellbutrin for a short period of time.
Strangely, the Nardil seems to be helping, with the anxiety anyway. Now I'm sort of confused about why it's helping, I don't have atypical depression. I'm wondering why I'm not experiencing the same response as I did before, which was definately less anxiety but I also felt really, spaced out on it. I sort of like the way I'm feeling on it but disconterted and suspicious that I'm not feeling the same way on it as I did before. I like to have some certainty in my life I hate all this randomness.
What are you taking now and is it helping?
Thanks....Denise
Posted by deniseuk190466 on January 5, 2007, at 12:05:17
In reply to Re: Nardil revisisited for the third time., posted by cgd092 on January 4, 2007, at 14:22:35
Hi,
Thanks for replying. How long have you been taking this, at what dose and are you expecting the anxiety to be completely kicked out at some point.
Also, do you suffer from atypical depression, where you eat more and where your depression is more reactive to situations. I don't.
Thanks....Denise
Posted by deniseuk190466 on January 5, 2007, at 12:06:51
In reply to Re: Nardil revisisited for the third time. » deniseuk190466, posted by Phillipa on January 3, 2007, at 14:51:59
I know it's wierd isn't it, something I just don't understand. Did you come off Paxil and then go back on it or did it just stop working whilst you were still taking it?
Also, I thought you were going to try Ensam? Are you?
Denise
Posted by Phillipa on January 5, 2007, at 19:47:16
In reply to Re: To Phillipa, posted by deniseuk190466 on January 5, 2007, at 12:06:51
Hi Denise. No sometimes I question even if paxil was doing a thing as I drank 4-6 beers nightly after work and I've read that alchohol can negate an ad. But until I went off it the l0 was fine. I was also on xanax. As far as EMSAM is concerned it's on hold as my thyroid is doing something wierd it went from hypro to hyper so even more anxiety. I'm watching U Gotta Have Hope as our syptoms are similar. So are you thinking along those lines in meds? I still feel horrible for how you were treated. Babblemail me anytime. Love Phillipa
Posted by cgd092 on January 8, 2007, at 13:24:14
In reply to Re: To CGD092, posted by deniseuk190466 on January 5, 2007, at 12:05:17
> How long have you been taking this, at what dose and are you expecting the anxiety to be completely kicked out at some point.
> Also, do you suffer from atypical depression, where you eat more and where your depression is more reactive to situations. I don't.
Hey, Denise. I have typical unipolar depressive episodes. The can't eat, can't sleep kind. I have never taken Nardil. Right now I'm on 40mg Celexa, some Seroquel, and staring a Lamictal trial. I'm up to 50mg Lamictal and I dare say I'm feeling slightly better!-Katy
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