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Posted by saturn on May 22, 2006, at 19:14:37
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Posted by gardenergirl on May 22, 2006, at 23:08:10
In reply to is desoxyn or ritalin more peripherally activating, posted by saturn on May 22, 2006, at 19:14:37
Hi Mike,
I noticed your post about asking similar questions in your threads. I'm guessing you're anxious about which med to try? I know you want to avoid cardiac stuff, and I'd imagine that is really uncomfortable when it happens. And I know you really want some relief.I wonder though, if it's really possible to sort out these meds to the degree you seem to seeking, if I'm understanding your quest correctly. Maybe it is. I don't know anything about the other meds. But at some point do you think you might run into diminishing returns in seeking this info versus trying the med that seems to be the best fit?
Please feel free to dope-slap me if I'm way off base. :)
gg
Posted by Paulbwell on May 24, 2006, at 4:53:53
In reply to Re: is desoxyn or ritalin more peripherally activating » saturn, posted by gardenergirl on May 22, 2006, at 23:08:10
> Hi Mike,
> I noticed your post about asking similar questions in your threads. I'm guessing you're anxious about which med to try? I know you want to avoid cardiac stuff, and I'd imagine that is really uncomfortable when it happens. And I know you really want some relief.
>
> I wonder though, if it's really possible to sort out these meds to the degree you seem to seeking, if I'm understanding your quest correctly. Maybe it is. I don't know anything about the other meds. But at some point do you think you might run into diminishing returns in seeking this info versus trying the med that seems to be the best fit?
>
> Please feel free to dope-slap me if I'm way off base. :)
>
> ggHi Mike,
I too notice you posting about this as well.
Desoxyn has the GREATEST CNS stimulation of ALL the stims, as well as the LEAST PNS stimulation, making it the last in line for stimulant tolerant folks-think people who have ben high DEx doses for years, and SEXER Narcoleptics. Thats partly why it's the lest scripted-that and the small matter of it being script 'Methylamphetamine Hcl', That said don't expect to be scripted to it easily.
Cheers
Posted by saturn on May 24, 2006, at 6:08:40
In reply to Re: is desoxyn or ritalin more peripherally activating » saturn, posted by gardenergirl on May 22, 2006, at 23:08:10
> Hi Mike,
> I noticed your post about asking similar questions in your threads. I'm guessing you're anxious about which med to try? I know you want to avoid cardiac stuff, and I'd imagine that is really uncomfortable when it happens. And I know you really want some relief.You're right on---thanks for your understanding.
> I wonder though, if it's really possible to sort out these meds to the degree you seem to seeking, if I'm understanding your quest correctly. Maybe it is. I don't know anything about the other meds. But at some point do you think you might run into diminishing returns in seeking this info versus trying the med that seems to be the best fit?
Good point. To my best knowledge it's pretty well-established that Adderall>Dexedrine>Desoxyn in terms of peripheral/heart activation. Ritalin is also less activating than dexedrine, but that leaves me scratching my head as to the comparison between Ritalin and Desoxyn, but I'm digressing.
You make an excellent point about diminishing returns. I am scared and frustrated at the same time in terms of experimentation. My last *several* experiences with meds have been really bad in terms of cardiovascular effects---which as you mention is very uncomfortable...frightening even. At the same time they worked so *well*, and I'm just concerned I won't be able to find a med that both works and is tolerable. It is frustrating that I cannot tolerate medication which thousands of 5 year olds take every day.
I think that likely I just don't want to accept that I simply cannot tolerate any of the ADHD meds that work for me, so I'm trying to find as much info as I can toward some loophole.
> Please feel free to dope-slap me if I'm way off base. :)I wouldn't think of it ;)
Mike
Posted by Paulbwell on May 24, 2006, at 6:14:35
In reply to Re: is desoxyn or ritalin more peripherally activating » gardenergirl, posted by saturn on May 24, 2006, at 6:08:40
> > Hi Mike,
> > I noticed your post about asking similar questions in your threads. I'm guessing you're anxious about which med to try? I know you want to avoid cardiac stuff, and I'd imagine that is really uncomfortable when it happens. And I know you really want some relief.
>
> You're right on---thanks for your understanding.
>
> > I wonder though, if it's really possible to sort out these meds to the degree you seem to seeking, if I'm understanding your quest correctly. Maybe it is. I don't know anything about the other meds. But at some point do you think you might run into diminishing returns in seeking this info versus trying the med that seems to be the best fit?
>
> Good point. To my best knowledge it's pretty well-established that Adderall>Dexedrine>Desoxyn in terms of peripheral/heart activation. Ritalin is also less activating than dexedrine, but that leaves me scratching my head as to the comparison between Ritalin and Desoxyn, but I'm digressing.
>
> You make an excellent point about diminishing returns. I am scared and frustrated at the same time in terms of experimentation. My last *several* experiences with meds have been really bad in terms of cardiovascular effects---which as you mention is very uncomfortable...frightening even. At the same time they worked so *well*, and I'm just concerned I won't be able to find a med that both works and is tolerable. It is frustrating that I cannot tolerate medication which thousands of 5 year olds take every day.
>
> I think that likely I just don't want to accept that I simply cannot tolerate any of the ADHD meds that work for me, so I'm trying to find as much info as I can toward some loophole.
>
> > Please feel free to dope-slap me if I'm way off base. :)
>
> I wouldn't think of it ;)
>
>
> Mike
>
If you cannot tolerate any ADD/HD meds, try Desoxyn, if you can?, i sure as hell would.What have you trialed?
Cheers
Posted by Paulbwell on May 24, 2006, at 7:30:37
In reply to Re: is desoxyn or ritalin more peripherally activating » gardenergirl, posted by saturn on May 24, 2006, at 6:08:40
Hi Ya,
You might find this helpfull from Wikipedia,
"Indications and contraindications
Desoxyn TabletsGenerally, the recommended uses of Desoxyn are similar to the other amphetamine-class stimulants (such as Adderall, Dexedrine or methylphenidate, for example). Because of the enhanced potency of methamphetamine (the active ingredient in Desoxyn) relative other stimulants of this type, Desoxyn is often used as a "second-line" medication when the "first-line" (i.e., most commonly prescribed) medications have been found deficient.Further, because the secondary effects of methamphetamine are least among the amphetamine-class stimulants or methylphenidate but the highest degree of primary effectiveness (i.e., most effective at enhancing concentration and decreasing distractibility, with the least occurrence of side effects), Desoxyn can be useful for patients who find other medications ineffective or for whom the side effects of such other medications are too severe.
The greater primary effectiveness of Desoxyn is believed to be caused by the extra methyl group of methamphetamine which is lacking in basic amphetamine, which may increase the solubility of methamphetamine in lipids (and therefore be more deeply and thoroughly absorbed into the fatty tissue of the brain).
Similarly to other stimulants, use of Desoxyn is not recommended for patients with heart ailments, or within 14 days of having ingested an MAOI medication. It is also not recommended for patients with a history of psychotic episodes, because stimulants may exacerbate any preexisting tendencies toward psychotic behavior."
Cheers
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