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Posted by tygereyes on May 1, 2006, at 18:53:06
<< http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060501101509.htm >>
Posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 18:58:41
In reply to Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by tygereyes on May 1, 2006, at 18:53:06
"Eli Lilly Company and the National Institute of Mental Health funded the study."
I dunno. The idea of treating mental illnesses before they reach a clearly diagnositic state is controversial.
I guess the question I have is whether the drug is actually preventing the underlying disease progression or simply masking the sympoms.
Linkadge
Posted by med_empowered on May 1, 2006, at 19:26:01
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 18:58:41
OK--wow. This reminds me of the "sluggish schizophrenia" DX from the old Soviet Union. "Only 17 completed the study". 17/60==less than 30%. Even people who do have schizophrenia often find these meds intolerable, and there's interest in going w/o meds in some cases--why on earth would we subject young people who "might" turn psychotic to these kind of medical torture?
Posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 20:15:55
In reply to Creepy, posted by med_empowered on May 1, 2006, at 19:26:01
I think its unethical. In nonpsychotic animals if you give them AP's long enough then they become psychotic upon withdrawl.
So I guess you're going to have bunch of people dependant on APs'. I guess thats what lilly wants.
Linkadge
Posted by med_empowered on May 1, 2006, at 20:46:16
In reply to Re: Creepy, posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 20:15:55
that's true...when you give people phenothiazines for depression or gastrointestinal stuff (and all the other off-label stuff they used them for back in the day), some of them will end up with super-sensitivity psychosis and/or withdrawal psychosis.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on May 1, 2006, at 21:15:52
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 18:58:41
Eli Lilly would have everyone taking preventative antipsychotics, antidepressants, you name it. This is the danger that we run when med companies are controlling so much of our medical research. It is hard to know what to believe b/c so much medical research is funded by companies with a financial stake in the outcome. An analogy would be the Phillip Morris corporation showing us studies that suggest that smoking will improve our health. I wish I knew how we could reform this system. :(
Best,
EE> "Eli Lilly Company and the National Institute of Mental Health funded the study."
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> I dunno. The idea of treating mental illnesses before they reach a clearly diagnositic state is controversial.
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> I guess the question I have is whether the drug is actually preventing the underlying disease progression or simply masking the sympoms.
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> Linkadge
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Posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 21:25:14
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by Emily Elizabeth on May 1, 2006, at 21:15:52
Its true.
From www.biopsychiatry.com:
"Faith in the integrity of biological psychiatry would be greater if the single strongest predictive factor in the outcome of any published clinical trial wasn't the identity of the funding body."
Linkadge
Posted by Phillipa on May 1, 2006, at 21:30:43
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by linkadge on May 1, 2006, at 21:25:14
No wonder so many people are scared of med. Rightly so. Love Phillipa
Posted by Caedmon on May 2, 2006, at 11:23:40
In reply to Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by tygereyes on May 1, 2006, at 18:53:06
I'm sure there could be some benefit, if you could see in a crystal ball who was going to end up w/ psychosis. But isn't there also some evidence that positive life circumstances can also prevent psychosis? This seems a more reasonable prevention strategy.
I believe smoking is known to reduce the risk of schizophrenia. Not that that is a good solution, but there may be mechanisms of action there that are worthy of investigation, with medications more tolerable in general vs. antipsychotics.
- C
Posted by linkadge on May 2, 2006, at 15:42:20
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medicatio, posted by Caedmon on May 2, 2006, at 11:23:40
Yeah, is it just nicotine? They could chew nicotine gum or something.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on May 2, 2006, at 15:43:45
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medicatio, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2006, at 15:42:20
What I don't understand is how this study can boast a headline like that, while the conclusions to the link below seem to suggest that such conclucsions are not that clear.
Linkadge
Posted by willyee on May 2, 2006, at 20:34:50
In reply to Re: Onset Of Psychosis May Be Delayed By Medication, posted by Emily Elizabeth on May 1, 2006, at 21:15:52
Long as there are such insane amounts of money bouncing around,we can forget about any type of "system change" true to our benifit.
I feel the real work is being done everyday in unviersties etc with low end grants and with no means to ever make results known.
For example i posted how parnate came about,not by a scientific process of a company,INSTEAD by a single chemist in his basement lab while trying to cure or treat his own parkinson,when he discovered it wasnt working he sold the chemical to glaxco,to this day glaxco is CLUELESS and i mean CLUELESS on parnate,i have called many times and spoken to there "lab" techs and it was less than impressive.
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