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Posted by mike99 on February 7, 2006, at 12:20:28
Can anyone rank these in terms of peripheral stimulation?
Posted by mike99 on February 7, 2006, at 17:33:20
In reply to provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn, posted by mike99 on February 7, 2006, at 12:20:28
Posted by paulbwell on February 7, 2006, at 23:16:19
In reply to provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn, posted by mike99 on February 7, 2006, at 12:20:28
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> Can anyone rank these in terms of peripheral stimulation?-Desoxyn has the greatest CNS to PNS effects of all.
Caffeine increases blood presssure more than Coffee.
Provigal makes many people tired, others it has an antidepressant effect and an awakening effect.
What are you looking for?
Cheers
Posted by mike99 on February 8, 2006, at 6:44:58
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn » mike99, posted by paulbwell on February 7, 2006, at 23:16:19
Primarily I'm looking for increased attention/alertness/motivation to follow through and not become distracted due to outside stimuli and loss of concentration.
I also desire the least peripheral effects. I cannot tolerate stimulants from this standpoint, my dr won't even consider it with an alpha/beta blocker.
I've used caffeine all my life which really doesn't do much except for very minimal increases in alertness. Sudafed (30 mg) is just slightly more effective than coffee- but gets the old heart going (but not nearly as much as traditional CNS stimulants).
Basically I'm trying to gauge how provigil might compare to caffeine or low-dose sudafed. I gather it'd be more effective, but there seems to be some debate as to whether it's more peripherally acting than coffee.
I thought for a minute about Desoxyn as it's touted as being so "clean" in terms of CNS activation. However, the same is often said of Ritalin and it nearly gives me a heart attack. Also, while meth has very minimal PNS actions (to my understanding), it is converted to regular D,L amphetamine in the body and so it seems that in reality it would have at least some of the side effects of regular AMP-- which sent me to the hospital twice (once as adderall and once as Dexedrine) :(
Basically, I just want to be able to focus and complete tasks, thoughts, conversations, movies, without losing total concentration and then motivation AND to do this without putting my heart into overdrive.
Sorry for the long response. I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts.
PS... I note your distinction between caffeine and coffee, but I used the terms interchangeably here because I get all my caffeine from coffee or soda.
> > Can anyone rank these in terms of peripheral stimulation?
>
> -Desoxyn has the greatest CNS to PNS effects of all.
>
> Caffeine increases blood presssure more than Coffee.
>
> Provigal makes many people tired, others it has an antidepressant effect and an awakening effect.
>
> What are you looking for?
>
> Cheers
Posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 3:26:51
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn » paulbwell, posted by mike99 on February 8, 2006, at 6:44:58
> Primarily I'm looking for increased attention/alertness/motivation to follow through and not become distracted due to outside stimuli and loss of concentration.
>
> I also desire the least peripheral effects. I cannot tolerate stimulants from this standpoint, my dr won't even consider it with an alpha/beta blocker.
>
> I've used caffeine all my life which really doesn't do much except for very minimal increases in alertness. Sudafed (30 mg) is just slightly more effective than coffee- but gets the old heart going (but not nearly as much as traditional CNS stimulants).
>
> Basically I'm trying to gauge how provigil might compare to caffeine or low-dose sudafed. I gather it'd be more effective, but there seems to be some debate as to whether it's more peripherally acting than coffee.
>
> I thought for a minute about Desoxyn as it's touted as being so "clean" in terms of CNS activation. However, the same is often said of Ritalin and it nearly gives me a heart attack. Also, while meth has very minimal PNS actions (to my understanding), it is converted to regular D,L amphetamine in the body and so it seems that in reality it would have at least some of the side effects of regular AMP-- which sent me to the hospital twice (once as adderall and once as Dexedrine) :(
>
> Basically, I just want to be able to focus and complete tasks, thoughts, conversations, movies, without losing total concentration and then motivation AND to do this without putting my heart into overdrive.
>
> Sorry for the long response. I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts.
>
> PS... I note your distinction between caffeine and coffee, but I used the terms interchangeably here because I get all my caffeine from coffee or soda.
>
> > > Can anyone rank these in terms of peripheral stimulation?
> >
> > -Desoxyn has the greatest CNS to PNS effects of all.
> >
> > Caffeine increases blood presssure more than Coffee.
> >
> > Provigal makes many people tired, others it has an antidepressant effect and an awakening effect.
> >
> > What are you looking for?
> >
> > Cheers
>
>
You seem to have tried all the CNS stims-cept Desoxyn?.Perhaps meditation may be helpfull?, as an aside to chemicals?
Cheers
Posted by mike99 on February 9, 2006, at 17:53:26
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn » mike99, posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 3:26:51
Yeah, I've tried Ritalin, Adderall and Dex and could tolerate none of them from a cardiovascular standpoint (thought they worked wonders for my symptoms). I am able to tolerate 30 mg of Sudafed/day, but it only works if I use it occassionally, not daily.Never taken Desoxyn. I do take 6 grams of fish oil daily. It helps very little with mood and attention, but just enough to keep taking it.
I did try meditation for a few months, but didn't notice any benefit. I'm actually quite receptive to that idea, but question how beneficial it would really be. Maybe I'll give it another shot.
Posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 21:43:15
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn » paulbwell, posted by mike99 on February 9, 2006, at 17:53:26
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> Yeah, I've tried Ritalin, Adderall and Dex and could tolerate none of them from a cardiovascular standpoint (thought they worked wonders for my symptoms). I am able to tolerate 30 mg of Sudafed/day, but it only works if I use it occassionally, not daily.
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> Never taken Desoxyn. I do take 6 grams of fish oil daily. It helps very little with mood and attention, but just enough to keep taking it.
>
> I did try meditation for a few months, but didn't notice any benefit. I'm actually quite receptive to that idea, but question how beneficial it would really be. Maybe I'll give it another shot.Since you have a record of trying all the stimulants, perhaps Desoxyn may help?, it is often the most effective med for ADD/HD folks-just a thought.
Let us know?
Cheers
Posted by mike99 on February 11, 2006, at 9:49:11
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn » mike99, posted by paulbwell on February 9, 2006, at 21:43:15
I'll definitely let you know if I try it. But I don't think my heart would be happy with that decision, so I probably won't. Again, if I due will post :P
> > Yeah, I've tried Ritalin, Adderall and Dex and could tolerate none of them from a cardiovascular standpoint (thought they worked wonders for my symptoms). I am able to tolerate 30 mg of Sudafed/day, but it only works if I use it occassionally, not daily.
> >
> > Never taken Desoxyn. I do take 6 grams of fish oil daily. It helps very little with mood and attention, but just enough to keep taking it.
> >
> > I did try meditation for a few months, but didn't notice any benefit. I'm actually quite receptive to that idea, but question how beneficial it would really be. Maybe I'll give it another shot.
>
> Since you have a record of trying all the stimulants, perhaps Desoxyn may help?, it is often the most effective med for ADD/HD folks-just a thought.
>
> Let us know?
>
> Cheers
Posted by Seamus2 on February 13, 2006, at 11:14:30
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn, posted by mike99 on February 11, 2006, at 9:49:11
Do try Desoxyn, if you can get a Dr. to prescribe it! Most don't have experience with it, and once they see that it's methamphetamine they go cuckoo for cocoa-puffs.
Much superior in terms of decreased peripheral stimulation. I'm really sensitive, too; 5 mg Ritalin or 2 cups strong coffee is too much for me, Dexedrine was even worse.
But 5 mg Desoxyn does just what I want and makes it easy to "keep on track".
Posted by paulbwell on February 15, 2006, at 2:58:45
In reply to Re: provigil vs ritalin vs desoxyn, posted by mike99 on February 11, 2006, at 9:49:11
> I'll definitely let you know if I try it. But I don't think my heart would be happy with that decision, so I probably won't. Again, if I due will post :P
As Sheamus above has posted, Desoxyn has the FEWEST perpherial effects Vs CNS effects of ALL the stimulant medications, and MANY lucky users have described it as the 'smoothest' of all the stims.As compared to the Amphetamines, which release AND block the reuptake of
-Norphinephrine
-DopamineDesoxyn ALSO releases Serotonin, which possibly contributes to this smoothness.
I would try it to treat my ADD/HD, Depression, in a heartbeat if it was available here.
Despite it being "Methamphetamine Hcl" which is a hotpoint at the present in society, it frankly works better than anything else for SOME folks with, ADD/HD Narcolepsy, Depression.
Cheers
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