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Posted by sdb on January 2, 2006, at 14:34:57
Hi
Is there somebody using bethanechol/cyproheptadine against ejac. delay? Does it work?- Or is there something else which does help?-I am not experienced in that matter. Unfortunately the delay is the worst sideeffect of Nardil. I was on 45-60mg. Does somebody have the lucky experience that this sideeffect is diminishing automatically by time?
After day 8 of Nardil withdrawal I had some uncontrollable muscle twiches happened sometimes, especially fingers and foots. The night during sleep I had even big twiches, my body "twiched" and I woke up...but now all is ok again. Is there somebody have had this too?-It is not on the sideeffects of Nardil withdrawal according FDA documents. And this happend on day 8 after withdrawal, is it possible?
I personally think it is more likely the twiches came because of a huge vaccine I took and all was connected with fever and sometimes headache Or the twiches came maybe from vit. B deficiency (?). I took some Vit. B pills and since then it was better - but thats absolutely no prove that the Vit. B was the problem.
In the FDA doc. is written that you can go down just to 15mg/day after it began to work. I dont believe that. Perhaps this works only for older people.
as I stated before
-nardil is a very effective drug for depression, anxiety...and such things.
-there are no bad reactions before it begins to work compared to ssris.
-nardils diet restrictions arent that severe. I stictly did not take the things on the severe list the other things I ate moderate or other things in the less likely categorie I ate in normal amounts. If you eat more fruits you will even profite by your diet.
-blood pressure is falling (i suppose vasodilation) actually a good sideeffect but causing swelling (according the sideeff. list) at the ankles, but not for me.
-no weight gain but it like the sweet things more. But comparism betweend mirtazapine, which does you make to a hungry pig.
-most prominent sideeffect is a slight loss of libido but worst sideeffect is the delay :-(
-I have the impression that Nardil can even be more addictive than benzos (because it works?)
-Even after 1.5 weeks there are remaining Nardil effects in your blood. I guess that there are some strong metabolites working at receptors just like other ssris.
~sdb
Posted by ed_uk on January 2, 2006, at 15:00:32
In reply to Nardil review of 4 weeks trial bethanechol/cyproh., posted by sdb on January 2, 2006, at 14:34:57
>you can go down just to 15mg/day after it began to work
It's a myth - a very old one!
Ed
Posted by Questionmark on January 3, 2006, at 7:37:38
In reply to Nardil review of 4 weeks trial bethanechol/cyproh., posted by sdb on January 2, 2006, at 14:34:57
> Hi
>
> Is there somebody using bethanechol/cyproheptadine against ejac. delay? Does it work?- Or is there something else which does help?-I am not experienced in that matter. Unfortunately the delay is the worst sideeffect of Nardil. I was on 45-60mg. Does somebody have the lucky experience that this sideeffect is diminishing automatically by time?
Never tried bethanechol. Cyproheptadine did not help at all and side effects were awful (bad fatigue; depression). Cannabis helps a lot (although that has its own side effects). Other than that i haven't found anything very helpful. The "delay" for me did diminish a little over time (months), but nothing significance. Some say that it does diminish a great deal though, for them. Good luck.
> After day 8 of Nardil withdrawal I had some uncontrollable muscle twiches happened sometimes, especially fingers and foots. The night during sleep I had even big twiches, my body "twiched" and I woke up...but now all is ok again. Is there somebody have had this too?-It is not on the sideeffects of Nardil withdrawal according FDA documents. And this happend on day 8 after withdrawal, is it possible?
Yeah, often, whenever i haven't taken enough Nardil in the past day or so, i get some major twitches while i'm sleeping. Never got them while fully awake though. Not exactly sure why this happens. Maybe some kind of serotonergic effect.
> I personally think it is more likely the twiches came because of a huge vaccine I took and all was connected with fever and sometimes headache Or the twiches came maybe from vit. B deficiency (?). I took some Vit. B pills and since then it was better - but thats absolutely no prove that the Vit. B was the problem.
Hmm. Maybe it's related to B6 deficiency then??
> In the FDA doc. is written that you can go down just to 15mg/day after it began to work. I dont believe that. Perhaps this works only for older people.
Yeah i've never understood that.
> as I stated before
>
> -nardil is a very effective drug for depression, anxiety...and such things.
>
> -there are no bad reactions before it begins to work compared to ssris.
>
> -nardils diet restrictions arent that severe. I stictly did not take the things on the severe list the other things I ate moderate or other things in the less likely categorie I ate in normal amounts. If you eat more fruits you will even profite by your diet.
>
> -blood pressure is falling (i suppose vasodilation) actually a good sideeffect but causing swelling (according the sideeff. list) at the ankles, but not for me.
>
> -no weight gain but it like the sweet things more. But comparism betweend mirtazapine, which does you make to a hungry pig.
>
> -most prominent sideeffect is a slight loss of libido but worst sideeffect is the delay :-(
>
> -I have the impression that Nardil can even be more addictive than benzos (because it works?)
>
> -Even after 1.5 weeks there are remaining Nardil effects in your blood. I guess that there are some strong metabolites working at receptors just like other ssris.
>
> ~sdb
Posted by sdb on January 3, 2006, at 8:41:45
In reply to Re: Nardil review of 4 weeks trial bethanechol/cyp, posted by Questionmark on January 3, 2006, at 7:37:38
Hi,
Thats very intersting what your're saying. During the Nardil trial I never had any twiches. I was able to take a day only one pill of 15mg and then again up to the average dosage of mostly 45mg up to 60mg. One week after withdrawal the twiches came and just like your're saying during the night I had the major twiches the day only minor twiches. The twiches were not in a rythm, they just came accidential perhaps every 15 sec. - 30 sec.
Now the twiches completely disappeared and there's the feeling my brain is just going to its normal state. My belief is that Nardil has very potent metabolites which is changing something absolutely comparable to other ssris.
The seems to be working in your system even after 1.5 weeks. But as I said something like the twiches is nowhere mentioned in any Nardil documents. If the twiches came from Nardil, starting Nardil and remaining on Nardil is much easier than to wean off because of the twiches and headache. Fortunately the discontinuation is just like ssris and not as bad as some people have problems to come off benzos.sdb
>Yeah, often, whenever i haven't taken enough >Nardil in the past day or so, i get some major >twitches while i'm sleeping. Never got them >while fully awake though. Not exactly sure why >this happens. Maybe some kind of serotonergic >effect.
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