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Posted by Squiggles on November 2, 2005, at 8:51:09
Greetings,
I was away for a while as my luck
has not been of the Irish for some
months.My message here is for my friend, who
now on imipramine, does show some improvement
in mood, sleep and appetite.However, the weight is still
I would say near cachexia. And this
disturbs me. She is now taking imipramine
at 200mg instead of the desipramine which
was too weak.I would like to ask some of you here if
cachexia (severe and relatively sudden
weight loss) is related to chronic (20-yr.)
use of tricyclics. (Other conditions -
gall bladder operation some 4 yrs. ago,
lithium trial, then off that, then thyroid,
then off that, and Serzone, then off that,
not to mention about 20 other drugs in the
course of trying to treat depression.I would also like to apologize if I was
rude in any of my last posts.Thanks.
Squiggles
Posted by Chairman_MAO on November 2, 2005, at 10:14:02
In reply to o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine, posted by Squiggles on November 2, 2005, at 8:51:09
Most medicical treatments for cachexia that I know of are horrid (megestrol comes to mind).
Has this person ever considered adding phenelzine? That often promotes eating in people (hydrazine sulphate itself is still, albeit controversially, used for cachexia in cancer by some doctors). From a strictly psychopharm perspective, this person may want to try diazepam. If diazepam is IVed into a cat, it will start to eat ravenously almost involuntarily. This treatment is used often by veterinarians for many animals, but I haven't heard about it used in people.
Of course, I advocate smoking high-grade sensimilla (marijuana)!
Posted by Squiggles on November 2, 2005, at 11:18:03
In reply to Re: o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine » Squiggles, posted by Chairman_MAO on November 2, 2005, at 10:14:02
Thanks "chairman mao:-)";
i don't know - i think a trip to the
dr. might be a good start but i can't
get her to go because she is getting
long in the tooth and hard to reason
with, ghhrrrr.Squiggles
Posted by Chairman_MAO on November 3, 2005, at 7:49:47
In reply to o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine, posted by Squiggles on November 2, 2005, at 11:18:03
That should definitely happen.
BTW, I meant to type SINsemilla (not SENsemilla). It means "without seeds" in Spanish.
I don't want to incur anyone's wrath over that, for sure! ;)
Posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2005, at 8:35:03
In reply to Re: o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine » Squiggles, posted by Chairman_MAO on November 3, 2005, at 7:49:47
> That should definitely happen.
>
> BTW, I meant to type SINsemilla (not SENsemilla). It means "without seeds" in Spanish.
>
> I don't want to incur anyone's wrath over that, for sure! ;)
Sound tootee frootee to me, but i don't want
to incur your wrath over that one :-)Squiggles
Posted by katekite1 on November 3, 2005, at 20:52:14
In reply to o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine, posted by Squiggles on November 2, 2005, at 11:18:03
Do they eat enough?
Or, that is, when they are happy enough to eat enough, say 2500 or more calories a day for a week or so, do they start to gain?
Sounds like a doctor trip would be a great idea, especially if when they do eat enough they don't gain.
I hadn't heard of long term imipramine causing weight loss if they'd been on it for a while and it didn't before.
Kate
Posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2005, at 21:20:51
In reply to Re: o/t Imipramine is stronger than desipramine, posted by katekite1 on November 3, 2005, at 20:52:14
> Do they eat enough?
>
> Or, that is, when they are happy enough to eat enough, say 2500 or more calories a day for a week or so, do they start to gain?Yes, slowly.
>
> Sounds like a doctor trip would be a great idea, especially if when they do eat enough they don't gain.Dr. says A - OK, but I have noticed a wasting
of muscle as well as the fat disappearing rather
suddenly two yrs. ago. She was checked for
cancer (not bloods, i don't think though).
>
> I hadn't heard of long term imipramine causing weight loss if they'd been on it for a while and it didn't before.
>Yup - I know that imipramine is very fattening
and has been, so i can't figure out the
percipitating factor (i may not know of course
all the factors), but Serzone, thyroxine (for
a while), crises, operation...The best thing to do is wait and see I think.
thanks Kate.
Squiggles
> Kate
Posted by katekite on November 5, 2005, at 17:44:52
In reply to o/t the New James Bond?, posted by Squiggles on November 3, 2005, at 21:20:51
That's nice to hear they are capable of gaining. Hope they feel better, you are a nice friend to be concerned for them.
Kate
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