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Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 19, 2005, at 22:36:00
I just thought it up Dexedrine and Ativan
"DexAtivan"
It could be used for some stimulant properties but with more less tension.
Dextroamphetamine 10mg/Lorazepam 1mg
Dextroamphetamine 20/Lorazepam 2mgThis could be used for people with excess nerve with focusing difficulty (ADHD) symptoms.
In the past Dexamyl (d-amphetamine/amobarbital) was used for depression and weight loss. But it was widely abused and was labeled "non-medical use" after it was removed. Amobarbital could have caused some of the abuse becuase maybe it had euphoria of sedation.
Ativan i have been on, and at high doses, it really isnt a drug of abuse, all it produces is "numbed" sedation, higher doses cause sleep.
I have been on 6mg before (2mg X 3) for severe anxiety.This could be considered more for Adults, since anxiety is more prone at the mid age.
Xanax wouldnt be a choice becuase it is known for abuse, it would be similar to amobarital.
Well What do you think!
I thought it was an idea to post
Matt
Posted by Phillipa on August 19, 2005, at 23:29:02
In reply to DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 19, 2005, at 22:36:00
Hey Matt! You may be onto something. Why not be a pdoc or a guy who invents new meds! Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by med_empowered on August 20, 2005, at 0:58:41
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety » rjlockhart98, posted by Phillipa on August 19, 2005, at 23:29:02
hi! I think its a cool idea...Ativan really would be ideal, since its relatively easy to start and stop treatment as needed, and it is neither super-fast acting nor is it an all day sedative. There were some other upper/downer combos, too...Desbutol was one that I believed had dex with phenobarbital; primarily for weight control, but of course...psychiatrists like it, too. Eskatrol was a popular one, too...its the one Edie Sedgwick abused alot. There was even a resperine (old school antipsychotic...rarely used today) and phenobarbital combo pill...I guess it was for *extreme* anxiety. The only problem with an upper/downer combo would be that some docs and the DEA would whine and moan about "abuse potential" because it would offer quick symptom relief (even *without* drug induced euphoria, quick relief of symptoms would be enough to make the anti-drugs people scream). It seems that alot of people, including some docs, don't think proper treatment can involved feeling good or euphoric at all, at any time...I guess mental health "treatment" is supposed to be a long, painful, decidedly un-pleasant affair? *sigh* Anyway, your combo sounds cool...I really like propranolol w/ stimulant+sedative, so maybe 20-40mgs propranolol would be cool as an additional add-on.
Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 20, 2005, at 9:58:34
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianx, posted by med_empowered on August 20, 2005, at 0:58:41
Desbutol was desoxyn (methamphetamine) and nembutal (pentobarbital) Both these drugs where could be very euphoric.
I can understand why Desbutol was abused because the two medications where addicting. Pentobarbital is a strong short acting barbiturate. Methamphetamine is the strongest stimulant there is.
Ativan is light, its not really something to abuse, becuase high doses just cause numbed sedation. Now Xanax is anohter story....
One day i want to discuss maybe this with Shire Pharma. company.
Dexativan could be used for mainly ADHD with anxiety. It could work because i have taken Lorazepam with Dexedrine, i was calm but alert.
Posted by ed_uk on August 20, 2005, at 11:59:48
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianx, posted by med_empowered on August 20, 2005, at 0:58:41
TenorDex - I just invented this one
Atenolol (Tenormin) 10mg + Dexedrine 5mg?
Atenolol could be used to lower BP and heart rate.
..........not that I'm a big fan of fixed combination drugs - it's best to titrate the individual components seperately :-)
~Ed
Posted by Declan on August 21, 2005, at 1:12:24
In reply to DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety, posted by rjlockhart98 on August 19, 2005, at 22:36:00
Dexamyl was such a useful little tablet. I bought some in India, and brought it back through customs, being young and foolish. The officer asked me if I had anything to declare. Yes, I had Valium. OK, he said, but nothing forbidden, like say barbiturates. I hadn't expected that. No, no, I said, no barbiturates. (Please don't ask about amphetamines). The Dexamyl were in a little paper bag that the chemist had written the name on in pencil. He didn't see it.
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 6:21:12
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety, posted by Declan on August 21, 2005, at 1:12:24
Good morning Declan :-)
How did Dexamyl effect you?
Did you ever try a barbiturate on its own?
Kind regards
~Ed
Posted by Declan on August 21, 2005, at 12:57:43
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 6:21:12
Good Morning to you Ed (4am here)
I remember I took Dexamyl to see a solicitor. At the time I went fuzzy and strange when talking to such professionals. Even my vision would tend to lose focus and I'd hear the sound of them talking and be lost in it, and tnen they'd be sitting there waiting for an answer.
Dexamyl helped a bit with that. I'd find it easier to keep up.I took the odd amytal, nembutal and seconal, but such drugs were held in such low regard that noone thought to take them much. Barbiturates increase sensitivity to pain, don't they?
Declan
Posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 13:47:25
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety » ed_uk, posted by Declan on August 21, 2005, at 12:57:43
Good morning Declan,
7.45pm here :-)
>I took the odd amytal, nembutal and seconal, but such drugs were held in such low regard that no one thought to take them much.
Well....... they help you sleep ;-) It that why you took them?
>Barbiturates increase sensitivity to pain, don't they?
Yes, physical/nociceptive pain .....but not the pain of your psych problems.
~Ed
Posted by rjlockhart98 on August 21, 2005, at 14:18:50
In reply to Re: DexAtivan? Its an idea, stimulant with antianxiety » Declan, posted by ed_uk on August 21, 2005, at 13:47:25
I have taken Ativan with dextroamphetamine before.
I have also taken Pentobarbital (100mg) (which it is expired from '92) because i started having a panic attack on adderall, which was my dad's which i know was not my buisness getting into...
My thoughts got alot more "lose", some concentration was knocked, but the panic went away. I just sat down and didnt want to do much but think.
That was a long time ago. Barbiturates are heavier than benzo's.
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