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Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 11:26:36
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 11:09:57
why dont you talk about a lose dose of ativan of what ever your taking.
Posted by Jazzed on July 11, 2005, at 11:57:38
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 11:09:57
> > > You tried everything? like? doses?
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> what works the best then, without turning me into an anxious wreak?
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> > >
Tried Adderall, Ritalin, Strattera.
Now on 30 mg Adderall XR + .25 Xanax as needed.
Still have anxiety when the adderall wears off, but working on that.
Jazz
Jazzy
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 11:59:58
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 10:44:58
> Paul,
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> Desoxyn is the most effective medication for ADHD, but the LEAST used, even in the US.
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> I have advised people who have asked this question about medicaitons that are not working.
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> Calming go into the office, discuss the medication is not working, go into detail how it works. Say simply "is there an alternate another medication that is more effective", that the current medication is deteriating in your current work. It may take time, and it may definenly not happen in one session.
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> Ok? its your call
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> matt
Iv heard Desoxyn is the best ADD med have you taken it?Its supposed to have the best central vs somatic ratio of all the stims, pity iys never used thou, Dexedrine is supposed to be nearly as good thought?
Cheers
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 12:02:25
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone? » paulbwell, posted by Jazzed on July 11, 2005, at 11:57:38
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> > > > You tried everything? like? doses?
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> > what works the best then, without turning me into an anxious wreak?
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> Tried Adderall, Ritalin, Strattera.
> Now on 30 mg Adderall XR + .25 Xanax as needed.
> Still have anxiety when the adderall wears off, but working on that.
> Jazz
> Jazzy
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>
> HiHow does Adderall compare to Ritalin? does ADDerall last 10 hours
Cheers
Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 12:48:43
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 12:02:25
i have taken desoxyn 30mg before. not prescribed to me, BAD!
It was less phsyially adgitating than adderall, such as vain constriction, and general tension. There was some tension, but it had a more "direct" mental effect. More of an 'ease' studying. its actually more gradual in effect, VERY ironic, it moved up into a slope to full peak, lasted about 1 (1/2) longer. Not like dexedrine "wham".
I was on Adderall 40mg for 8 years. Im completely off now. Its not bad, but its not good.
Cheers
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 13:46:34
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 12:48:43
> i have taken desoxyn 30mg before. not prescribed to me, BAD!
>
> It was less phsyially adgitating than adderall, such as vain constriction, and general tension. There was some tension, but it had a more "direct" mental effect. More of an 'ease' studying. its actually more gradual in effect, VERY ironic, it moved up into a slope to full peak, lasted about 1 (1/2) longer. Not like dexedrine "wham".
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> I was on Adderall 40mg for 8 years. Im completely off now. Its not bad, but its not good.
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> CheersDid you take 6 5mg IR tabs? or SR how long did they last for? was it euphoric? enjoyable?
Cheers
Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 14:20:27
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone? » rjlockhart98, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 13:46:34
6 IR they where my dad's, they where OLD (august 1994)
There where only 13 left.
Euphoric? i wouldnt really call it enjoyable, it made things more intresting, while i was craming for my Junior Theme in high school. I got an 89!
They did have a more....... "aura" effect than adderall or dexedrine. It wore off smooth. But not much diffrent from dexedrine, exept it slowly and more potently comes on. Dexedrine rapidly starts working, very fast. I took Dexedrine in 1999-2000? for a while, 20mg IR (4 IR tabs) but swiched back to addrall in the 30mg IR form, becuase it was more convient.
Did you say you take Focalin? or Rililin? someone of those i rerember. Uptopizen and Viper(has some number after it i cant rerember) both take Desoxyn. Talk to them.
Utopizen hasnt been in much lately i asked him for some help on stimulant withdrawl and 'NONE'. The last post i talked with him about desoxyn he said he took 20mg. I dont know now.....
Posted by alohashirt on July 11, 2005, at 14:44:24
In reply to Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 1:00:29
ADHD is a hard one because
a) There is tremendous hysteria about overdiagnosis/overprescribing
b) The most effective medications have a lot in common with recreational, abusable, drugs
c) The state of the art wrt medication has changed enormopusly in past five yearsIf you get an ADHD specialist who does research, publishes papers
he she is more likely to be aware of the start of the art thinking on ADHD medication.You might be getting right drug in too small a dose.
Find another Doctor. Contact some of the noted ADHD experts and ask who they know in your area.
Posted by Jazzed on July 11, 2005, at 15:06:59
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 12:02:25
> > Hi
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> How does Adderall compare to Ritalin? does ADDerall last 10 hours
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> Cheers
>
Ritalin just made me tired. Adderall helps with focus and keeps me on track instead of as scattered. It doesn't last 10 hrs for me, so I take reg. adderall afterwards to supplement.
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 15:07:23
In reply to Re: desoxyn, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 11, 2005, at 14:20:27
> 6 IR they where my dad's, they where OLD (august 1994)
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> There where only 13 left.
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> Euphoric? i wouldnt really call it enjoyable, it made things more intresting, while i was craming for my Junior Theme in high school. I got an 89!
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> They did have a more....... "aura" effect than adderall or dexedrine. It wore off smooth. But not much diffrent from dexedrine, exept it slowly and more potently comes on. Dexedrine rapidly starts working, very fast. I took Dexedrine in 1999-2000? for a while, 20mg IR (4 IR tabs) but swiched back to addrall in the 30mg IR form, becuase it was more convient.
>
> Did you say you take Focalin? or Rililin? someone of those i rerember. Uptopizen and Viper(has some number after it i cant rerember) both take Desoxyn. Talk to them.
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> Utopizen hasnt been in much lately i asked him for some help on stimulant withdrawl and 'NONE'. The last post i talked with him about desoxyn he said he took 20mg. I dont know now.....I take Ritalin, when it works, it works well, but theres down and sleep issues sometimes.
So you wouldn't say Desoxyn is markedly different from the others you've tried then, not all its hyped up to be then.
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 15:10:23
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone? » paulbwell, posted by Jazzed on July 11, 2005, at 15:06:59
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> > > Hi
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> > How does Adderall compare to Ritalin? does ADDerall last 10 hours
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> > Cheers
> >
> Ritalin just made me tired. Adderall helps with focus and keeps me on track instead of as scattered. It doesn't last 10 hrs for me, so I take reg. adderall afterwards to supplement.
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>I guess you took a low dose of Ritalin, it doesn't make me tired, but can help facilatate sleep sometimes and other times interfer with sleep.
Cheers
Posted by Jazzed on July 11, 2005, at 15:18:08
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone? » Jazzed, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 15:10:23
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> I guess you took a low dose of Ritalin, it doesn't make me tired, but can help facilatate sleep sometimes and other times interfer with sleep.
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> Cheers
20 mg LA twice a day. None of them stimulated me, just even me out.
Posted by Emily Elizabeth on July 11, 2005, at 16:01:17
In reply to Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 1:00:29
I didn't read through what everyone else responded, but make sure that you are seeing a psychiatrist rather than a general practice doc. GP's tend to be too conservative and undermedicate b/c they don't have as much experience and knowledge about psych probs. They have even conducted studies that show this!
If you already see a pdoc: you need a new one.
EE
> I have ADHD-pretty sever at times, and the dame Doc gives me medicine doses in line with what he thinks is "suitable by the book" without treating the guy in front of him. Hes never asked me what helps the most, dosage etc to busy looking at his 'puter. I'm not a bloody book, i need adaquate medication to control my issues and get on with life.
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> Anyone similar?
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> Cheers
Posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2005, at 20:42:22
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone?, posted by Emily Elizabeth on July 11, 2005, at 16:01:17
How does valium help with ADHD Paulwell? Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 20:55:32
In reply to Re: Troubles receiving satisfactory medicine-anyone? » Emily Elizabeth, posted by Phillipa on July 11, 2005, at 20:42:22
> How does valium help with ADHD Paulwell? Fondly, Phillipa
Hi
It doesn't really, i guess it could make someone dopey and less troublesome, but it works in a nurologically opposite way to a stimulant.Cheers
Posted by alohashirt on July 11, 2005, at 22:12:47
In reply to Re: desoxyn » rjlockhart98, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 15:07:23
I asked my doctor about Desoxyn. He said no research results suggesting superior effect to dexedrine or Adderal, much greater
risk of dependence. Not a practical option.
Posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 22:33:03
In reply to Re: desoxyn, posted by alohashirt on July 11, 2005, at 22:12:47
> I asked my doctor about Desoxyn. He said no research results suggesting superior effect to dexedrine or Adderal, much greater
> risk of dependence. Not a practical option.He would say that, no Doc wants to script Desoxyn if he can help it!!
Posted by Declan on July 12, 2005, at 6:01:54
In reply to Re: desoxyn » alohashirt, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 22:33:03
Sometimes the shorter half life of Dexedrine is useful.
Declan
Posted by alohashirt on July 13, 2005, at 1:58:11
In reply to Re: desoxyn » alohashirt, posted by paulbwell on July 11, 2005, at 22:33:03
He's an ADHD research guru
Posted by paulbwell on July 13, 2005, at 18:52:22
In reply to Re: desoxyn, posted by alohashirt on July 13, 2005, at 1:58:11
> He's an ADHD research guru
PsyDocs prescribing Desoxyn are alerted to the FDA and any amount much above 20-25mg dayily is probable invistagated, because of this safe effective drugs notorius compound name, I do now of an older chap on 80mg!! but hes been taking it for 40 years so hes Docs ok.
Cheers
Posted by vivi on July 13, 2005, at 22:30:39
In reply to Re: desoxyn, posted by paulbwell on July 13, 2005, at 18:52:22
> > He's an ADHD research guru
>
> PsyDocs prescribing Desoxyn are alerted to the FDA and any amount much above 20-25mg dayily is probable invistagated, because of this safe effective drugs notorius compound name, I do now of an older chap on 80mg!! but hes been taking it for 40 years so hes Docs ok.
>
> CheersWell I wonder if taking that would be better than adderall? It makes me feel too jittery and almost paranoid. of course I have lost 5 precious pounds!!!!!!!
Posted by paulbwell on July 14, 2005, at 5:09:18
In reply to Re: desoxyn » paulbwell, posted by vivi on July 13, 2005, at 22:30:39
> > > He's an ADHD research guru
> >
> > PsyDocs prescribing Desoxyn are alerted to the FDA and any amount much above 20-25mg dayily is probable invistagated, because of this safe effective drugs notorius compound name, I do now of an older chap on 80mg!! but hes been taking it for 40 years so hes Docs ok.
> >
> > Cheers
>
> Well I wonder if taking that would be better than adderall? It makes me feel too jittery and almost paranoid. of course I have lost 5 precious pounds!!!!!!!
>
>Adderall was a diet pill and often causes jitteryness,
Desoxyn has the most favourable CNS Vs somatic effects of all ADD?ADHD meds on the market.
Posted by vivi on July 14, 2005, at 23:28:57
In reply to Re: desoxyn, posted by paulbwell on July 14, 2005, at 5:09:18
> > > > He's an ADHD research guru
> > >
> > > PsyDocs prescribing Desoxyn are alerted to the FDA and any amount much above 20-25mg dayily is probable invistagated, because of this safe effective drugs notorius compound name, I do now of an older chap on 80mg!! but hes been taking it for 40 years so hes Docs ok.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> >
> > Well I wonder if taking that would be better than adderall? It makes me feel too jittery and almost paranoid. of course I have lost 5 precious pounds!!!!!!!
> >
> >
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> Adderall was a diet pill and often causes jitteryness,
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> Desoxyn has the most favourable CNS Vs somatic effects of all ADD?ADHD meds on the market.
Do M.D.'S still presribe it?
Posted by paulbwell on July 15, 2005, at 4:35:43
In reply to Re: desoxyn » paulbwell, posted by vivi on July 14, 2005, at 23:28:57
> > > > > He's an ADHD research guru
> > > >
> > > > PsyDocs prescribing Desoxyn are alerted to the FDA and any amount much above 20-25mg dayily is probable invistagated, because of this safe effective drugs notorius compound name, I do now of an older chap on 80mg!! but hes been taking it for 40 years so hes Docs ok.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Well I wonder if taking that would be better than adderall? It makes me feel too jittery and almost paranoid. of course I have lost 5 precious pounds!!!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Adderall was a diet pill and often causes jitteryness,
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> > Desoxyn has the most favourable CNS Vs somatic effects of all ADD?ADHD meds on the market.
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>
> Do M.D.'S still presribe it?
>
Yes as a last resort.
Posted by Jazzed on July 15, 2005, at 7:16:58
In reply to Re: desoxyn » paulbwell, posted by vivi on July 13, 2005, at 22:30:39
>
> Well I wonder if taking that would be better than adderall? It makes me feel too jittery and almost paranoid. of course I have lost 5 precious pounds!!!!!!!
>
>Vivi, is it possible your Adderall dose is just too high? How much are you taking? And is it the regular or extended release?
Jazzy
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