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Posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 15:48:03
Sigh. I forgot how Parnate causes insomnia. I don't understand how a med can cause FATIGUE and INSOMNIA. I don't know what to take for it. Maybe my pdoc will let me use 10 mg of Amiptryptaline or Surmontil. Damn. There is always a price to pay for everything.
Maxime
Posted by ixus on May 18, 2005, at 16:55:31
In reply to Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 15:48:03
> Sigh. I forgot how Parnate causes insomnia. I don't understand how a med can cause FATIGUE and INSOMNIA. I don't know what to take for it. Maybe my pdoc will let me use 10 mg of Amiptryptaline or Surmontil. Damn. There is always a price to pay for everything.
>
> MaximeMaxime,
you can not take last dose later than 1-2pm. I suffered from insomnia if I took 10mg after 5 pm.
/ixus
Posted by willyee on May 18, 2005, at 17:44:32
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by ixus on May 18, 2005, at 16:55:31
> > Sigh. I forgot how Parnate causes insomnia. I don't understand how a med can cause FATIGUE and INSOMNIA. I don't know what to take for it. Maybe my pdoc will let me use 10 mg of Amiptryptaline or Surmontil. Damn. There is always a price to pay for everything.
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> > Maxime
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> Maxime,
> you can not take last dose later than 1-2pm. I suffered from insomnia if I took 10mg after 5 pm.
> /ixus
>
You have a good idea,i use 10 mg amitrplyine and a small pieace of a .25 klono and calmly fall asleep better than waiting for that useless (my opinion) lunesta.Amitrpyline goes well with the klono.
Posted by TomG on May 18, 2005, at 18:18:17
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by willyee on May 18, 2005, at 17:44:32
Posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 19:15:14
In reply to 25-50mgs Seroquel (nm), posted by TomG on May 18, 2005, at 18:18:17
Seroquel and all other anti-psychotics make me lactate.
Maxime
Posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 19:16:51
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by willyee on May 18, 2005, at 17:44:32
Yes, I think I will phone my pdoc. I take 4 mg of Klonopin at night. Doesn't do a thing. I have been at that dosage for 10 years. I plan to start coming off it soon.
Maxime
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> You have a good idea,i use 10 mg amitrplyine and a small pieace of a .25 klono and calmly fall asleep better than waiting for that useless (my opinion) lunesta.Amitrpyline goes well with the klono.
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Posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 19:18:30
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by ixus on May 18, 2005, at 16:55:31
Yeah, I know and I still haven't started splitting the dosage yet so that is from taking it at 8 am. I am scared to see what it will be like when I do split the dosage. :-)
Maxime
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> Maxime,
> you can not take last dose later than 1-2pm. I suffered from insomnia if I took 10mg after 5 pm.
> /ixus
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Posted by MidnightBlue on May 18, 2005, at 21:21:27
In reply to Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 15:48:03
Maxime,
I SWEAR I wrote you a long thoughtful response to this this afternoon. I guess it didn't make it or I am currently more brain damaged then I think!
Hugs,
MidnightBlue
Posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 7:00:39
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia » Maxime, posted by MidnightBlue on May 18, 2005, at 21:21:27
> Maxime,
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> I SWEAR I wrote you a long thoughtful response to this this afternoon. I guess it didn't make it or I am currently more brain damaged then I think!
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> Hugs,
> MidnightBlueAwww, you probably did but didn't post it properly. That has happended to me. And you don't have brain damage! You are just stressed.
Hugs,
Maxime
Posted by djmmm on May 19, 2005, at 10:46:20
In reply to Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by Maxime on May 18, 2005, at 15:48:03
> Sigh. I forgot how Parnate causes insomnia. I don't understand how a med can cause FATIGUE and INSOMNIA. I don't know what to take for it. Maybe my pdoc will let me use 10 mg of Amiptryptaline or Surmontil. Damn. There is always a price to pay for everything.
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> Maxime
I have used the supplement Melotonin to help me fall asleep while on Parnate. I found it was far more effective than any Rx drug, since there is no rebound insomnia.There is also Hops, Passion flower, etc. All of which I think you shoud try before going to sleep meds. And FWIW, I also take klonopin, and have found that Melotonin is more effective (in getting me to sleep)...You can also try a low dose of diphenhydramine (like childrens benedryl)
Posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 13:24:57
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by djmmm on May 19, 2005, at 10:46:20
I never had any success with Melotonin or valerian root. I guess I could try it again. Thanks for the tip!
Maxime
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> I have used the supplement Melotonin to help me fall asleep while on Parnate. I found it was far more effective than any Rx drug, since there is no rebound insomnia.
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> There is also Hops, Passion flower, etc. All of which I think you shoud try before going to sleep meds. And FWIW, I also take klonopin, and have found that Melotonin is more effective (in getting me to sleep)...You can also try a low dose of diphenhydramine (like childrens benedryl)
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Posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 13:28:05
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia » djmmm, posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 13:24:57
Hops makes me depressed!
Ed.
Posted by Declan on May 19, 2005, at 16:00:58
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by ed_uk on May 19, 2005, at 13:28:05
Hi
Which kicked in first, the AD effect or the insomnia? Is there not a dose on which you can get the AD effect but not the insomnia?
Declan
Posted by Maxime on May 19, 2005, at 16:24:15
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by Declan on May 19, 2005, at 16:00:58
> Hi
> Which kicked in first, the AD effect or the insomnia? Is there not a dose on which you can get the AD effect but not the insomnia?
> DeclanWell they go hand in hand. I am still not at my therapeutic dose for Parnate. I have 20 more mg to go. I have tried various dosage and I need at least 80 mg. Sometimes I have to go up to 100 mg.
Maxime
Posted by 4WD on May 20, 2005, at 15:29:34
In reply to Re: Grrr. Parnate Insomnia, posted by djmmm on May 19, 2005, at 10:46:20
> I have used the supplement Melotonin to help me fall asleep while on Parnate. I found it was far more effective than any Rx drug, since there is no rebound insomnia.
>
> There is also Hops, Passion flower, etc. All of which I think you shoud try before going to sleep meds. And FWIW, I also take klonopin, and have found that Melotonin is more effective (in getting me to sleep)...You can also try a low dose of diphenhydramine (like childrens benedryl)
Does melatonin help to KEEP you asleep? i.e. no waking up too early?Marsha
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