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Posted by david maclean on February 22, 2003, at 14:40:15
Here in the UK the benzodiazepine Rohypnol is more easily available than in the US where it has got a reputation as a date rape drug.
As one of my many bezodiazepines I once tried Rohypnol and I have to say that the only thing which impressed me about it was that it was so weak. At 1mg it was supposed to be equivalent to other benzos I have taken but it didn't seem it was.
Has Rohypnol's bad reputation been hyped up? It seems to be hated as a date rape drug because (1) victims can't recall what happened and (2) it works quickly. But AFAIK all benzos induce retrograde amnesia and I would not have thought that Rohypnol was a lot worse than the other benzos at doing this. Maybe the reputation is because it has such a short half life that it can't be detected easily that makes it so disliked but even this seems uncertain because I have seen the half life given variously as 1 to 2 hours and also as 16 to 35 hours.
Has anyone else here taken it as a sleeping tablet?
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 22, 2003, at 15:30:26
In reply to Rohypnol and date rape , posted by david maclean on February 22, 2003, at 14:40:15
> Has Rohypnol's bad reputation been hyped up? It seems to be hated as a date rape drug because (1) victims can't recall what happened and (2) it works quickly. But AFAIK all benzos induce retrograde amnesia and I would not have thought that Rohypnol was a lot worse than the other benzos at doing this. Maybe the reputation is because it has such a short half life that it can't be detected easily that makes it so disliked but even this seems uncertain because I have seen the half life given variously as 1 to 2 hours and also as 16 to 35 hours.
Rohypnol with *alcohol* does the intoxication/memory blocking. When it's slipped into a drink (especially if not the first drink), the effect is stupefying.
Lar
Posted by david maclean on February 23, 2003, at 4:18:30
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape , posted by Larry Hoover on February 22, 2003, at 15:30:26
> Rohypnol with *alcohol* does the
> intoxication/memory blocking. When it's slipped
> into a drink (especially if not the first drink),
> the effect is stupefying.
>
> Lar
Yes, it is said that Rohypnol is dissolved in an alcoholic drink when it is used as a date rape drug but I drink very often drink alcohol with almost all the benzies I have tried and the combination of benzo and alcohol doesn't seem to have any particularly synergistic effect on me at all.In fact I tired the Rohypnol with alcohol and even made an effort to see if I hit amnesia in the morning but nope. It didn't happen. So I wonder if the dangers are a bit too hyped up?
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 23, 2003, at 8:09:59
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape » Larry Hoover, posted by david maclean on February 23, 2003, at 4:18:30
> > Rohypnol with *alcohol* does the
> > intoxication/memory blocking. When it's slipped
> > into a drink (especially if not the first drink),
> > the effect is stupefying.
> >
> > Lar
>
>
> Yes, it is said that Rohypnol is dissolved in an alcoholic drink when it is used as a date rape drug but I drink very often drink alcohol with almost all the benzies I have tried and the combination of benzo and alcohol doesn't seem to have any particularly synergistic effect on me at all.
>
> In fact I tired the Rohypnol with alcohol and even made an effort to see if I hit amnesia in the morning but nope. It didn't happen. So I wonder if the dangers are a bit too hyped up?It amounts to a case of individual differences in metabolism. You don't seem to mind the combo, whereas others can lose their lives because of it.
Posted by stjames on February 23, 2003, at 14:30:55
In reply to Rohypnol and date rape , posted by david maclean on February 22, 2003, at 14:40:15
> As one of my many bezodiazepines I once tried Rohypnol and I have to say that the only thing which impressed me about it was that it was so weak. At 1mg it was supposed to be equivalent to other benzos I have taken but it didn't seem it was.
The most common Rohypnol on the street are 4 mg tablets, and they are called roofies as you take several. Actually 4 mg Rohypnol knocked me flat on my ass. Sluring, memory problems, ect.
Posted by david maclean on February 24, 2003, at 6:59:29
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape , posted by stjames on February 23, 2003, at 14:30:55
>> As one of my many bezodiazepines I once tried Rohypnol
>> and I have to say that the only thing which impressed
>> me about it was that it was so weak. At 1mg it was
>> supposed to be equivalent to other benzos I have taken
>> but it didn't seem it was.
>
> The most common Rohypnol on the street are 4 mg tablets,
> and they are called roofies as you take several."Roofies" is not a slang term I use so I gues sit must mean that someone takes so many that if they were stacked up they almost reach the roof. Right?
4mg is a very large dose. I didn't even know that such large tabs were avilable anywhere. The benzodiazepine equivalence chart shows 1 mg Ronhypnol (flunitrazepam) as equivalent to 10 mg diazepam. So 4 mg would equate to something like 40 mg. And four tablets tablets would be 160 mg.
Are you sure such a massive dose is used? I am sure anyone receiving that would have a very sore head the next day and would know all about it but by all accounts the victim never knows what happened or that anything did happen.
> Actually 4 mg Rohypnol knocked me flat on my ass. Sluring,
> memory problems, ect.It would do to me too. The largest size tablet here in the UK is 1 mg.
Posted by troutslayer on February 1, 2005, at 14:32:57
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape , posted by Larry Hoover on February 22, 2003, at 15:30:26
>> Rohypnol with *alcohol* does the intoxication/memory blocking. When it's slipped into a drink (especially if not the first drink), the effect is stupefying.
>
> LarFor us "normal" people, I'm concerned about the next morning. Will there be a "hangover" and if so, what symptoms ? Nausea, sleepy, lack of coordination, dizzy ... ? Assume 1mg dose.
Posted by CareBear04 on February 2, 2005, at 11:06:06
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape, posted by Larry Hoover on February 23, 2003, at 8:09:59
i've tried rohypnol while abroad with alcohol and without. i was prescribed it because i had the flu and was sick in bed all day while in italy. still, it was a group trip and, sick or not, i wanted to party at night. rohypnol and alcohol knocked me out completely and i had to be carried back to my room. rohypnol on its own still packed a powerful punch. it was like halcion plus in power with a longer half-life. i'm sure it's different for everyone, though. that was the first time i had a benzo; after two years of 4-6mg of xanax and klon a day, i'm sure the results would be milder. wishing you well.
Posted by SLS on February 3, 2005, at 2:51:59
In reply to Re: Rohypnol and date rape , posted by Larry Hoover on February 22, 2003, at 15:30:26
> > Has Rohypnol's bad reputation been hyped up? It seems to be hated as a date rape drug because (1) victims can't recall what happened and (2) it works quickly. But AFAIK all benzos induce retrograde amnesia and I would not have thought that Rohypnol was a lot worse than the other benzos at doing this. Maybe the reputation is because it has such a short half life that it can't be detected easily that makes it so disliked but even this seems uncertain because I have seen the half life given variously as 1 to 2 hours and also as 16 to 35 hours.
>
> Rohypnol with *alcohol* does the intoxication/memory blocking. When it's slipped into a drink (especially if not the first drink), the effect is stupefying.
>
> Lar
My guess is that Rohypnol acts synergistically with alcohol to produce a severe disinhibition that would allow someone to act in ways they would never think to otherwise - especially sexually. The memory black out is a side benefit.
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