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Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 12:15:25
Hi, i started remeron 15mg (pill split in half as advised by doctor)sunday night 20 july, monday and tuesday i noticed i was in a bad mood, wednesday mood went away then i became dizzy, tired in the day same happened thursday and friday, friday day i wasnt as dizzy but towards the time for me due to take my med i became all wobbily, i took my med at 11pm last night i was watching a good film then went to bed, went straight to sleep, then awoke up at 1pm this aftenoon, i got a sore ear, sore throught and a sore tongue, i rang doc on call as the doctors sergery i am with is closed the weekend, and the doc on call advised me to stop the meds and go to my doctor on monday for a blood test? i am gutted.. this remeron is my 22nd medication i have been on for my severe anxiety, panick, social phobia and depression that i have actually been able to say yes i feel mentally improved and finnaly a med that hasnt raised my hrt rate, apart from the dizzyness etc, i have heared so much good stuff about remeron, also in the back of my mind, i have always sufffered from throuht and ear probs, so maybe this is just the time for me to get one? or is the med causing this? i wont know till my blood work comes back, I am totally gutted... has anyone ever had this problem with remeron? :( :( :( :( :( :( i am so sad i am crying my eyes out here? theres nothing left for me to try now apart from just ending my life cus i cant take this no more.. :(
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 26, 2003, at 13:27:32
In reply to update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED , posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 12:15:25
> Hi, i started remeron 15mg (pill split in half as advised by doctor)sunday night 20 july, monday and tuesday i noticed i was in a bad mood, wednesday mood went away then i became dizzy, tired in the day same happened thursday and friday, friday day i wasnt as dizzy but towards the time for me due to take my med i became all wobbily, i took my med at 11pm last night i was watching a good film then went to bed, went straight to sleep, then awoke up at 1pm this aftenoon, i got a sore ear, sore throught and a sore tongue, i rang doc on call as the doctors sergery i am with is closed the weekend, and the doc on call advised me to stop the meds and go to my doctor on monday for a blood test? i am gutted.. this remeron is my 22nd medication i have been on for my severe anxiety, panick, social phobia and depression that i have actually been able to say yes i feel mentally improved and finnaly a med that hasnt raised my hrt rate, apart from the dizzyness etc, i have heared so much good stuff about remeron, also in the back of my mind, i have always sufffered from throuht and ear probs, so maybe this is just the time for me to get one? or is the med causing this? i wont know till my blood work comes back, I am totally gutted... has anyone ever had this problem with remeron? :( :( :( :( :( :( i am so sad i am crying my eyes out here? theres nothing left for me to try now apart from just ending my life cus i cant take this no more.. :(
I hear your frustration, loud and clear.
With your history of throat and ear problems, it does make sense that the drug may have nothing to do with your current problems, doesn't it?
Here is the list of adverse events associated with Remeron. You'll find that throat and ear problems are not all that common, and may have nothing to do with the drug, in any case.
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/mirtaz_ad.htm
In a clinical trial, all symptoms are reported. I took part in a clinical trial for an anti-heartburn medication, during which I was clinically depressed. They reported my depression, even though I was depressed at the beginning of the trial. So, if you look at the list of adverse events associated with that drug, you'll see depression listed, despite the fact it was probably nothing more than a coincidence.
With your diagnoses, you are probably very vulnerable to the sense that the meds aren't quite right. Yet, you do say, "i have actually been able to say yes i feel mentally improved", which is a good thing. Please try and focus on the benefit you noted, and give the doctors a chance to check you out. This isn't a drug failure, yet.
Take care,
Lar
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 14:19:46
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED » crazychickuk, posted by Larry Hoover on July 26, 2003, at 13:27:32
i am just so gutted, do you think i should stop them like the doctor on call said (not my doctor) or shall i still keep taking them till monday when i see my doctor? i just dont know what to do? thankyou
Posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 15:25:22
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 14:19:46
I personally would keep taking it if you want to. At the beginning of treatment with Remeron I had cold symptoms and If I followed the recomendation I would've had to stop.
I think that the drug probably causes a drop in white blood cells while your body gets used to it. After I was on a week, I had no problems.
I'd say theres no real threat.
Linkadge
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:30:54
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 15:25:22
ooooooooooooo ok here goes i am going to take it now.. but what if i start to panick about whats going on with me? what shall i do then? I start to get reall eye dropper about 1-2 hrs after i take it (15mg) and when i am in bed, it feels as if i am slow breathing, and my heart seems faster, even though it isnt, and i start to twitch, then panick a little then the next thing i know i am awake it is the following day.. lol.. i am just a little scared, and now wondering if i do take this med what if it kills me? i am scared... hummmm i know you guys say yes o for it take it.. but i am scared..... all meds have given me bad side affects ahhhhhhhhhhhh i am so upset... HELP if u were me what would u do?
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 26, 2003, at 15:34:48
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 14:19:46
> i am just so gutted, do you think i should stop them like the doctor on call said (not my doctor) or shall i still keep taking them till monday when i see my doctor? i just dont know what to do? thankyou
The on-call doc is going to err on the side of caution, as he has no sense of your medical history. You're going to have to decide if the throat symptoms are enough of an issue....Are they somewhat like your prior episodes? Are they truly intolerable? Can you wait two more days? You're the only one who can give the answer.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on July 26, 2003, at 15:38:51
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:30:54
> ooooooooooooo ok here goes i am going to take it now.. but what if i start to panick about whats going on with me? what shall i do then? I start to get reall eye dropper about 1-2 hrs after i take it (15mg) and when i am in bed, it feels as if i am slow breathing, and my heart seems faster, even though it isnt, and i start to twitch, then panick a little then the next thing i know i am awake it is the following day.. lol.. i am just a little scared, and now wondering if i do take this med what if it kills me? i am scared... hummmm i know you guys say yes o for it take it.. but i am scared..... all meds have given me bad side affects ahhhhhhhhhhhh i am so upset... HELP if u were me what would u do?
So, you know how the med will feel....that could be something that gives you some reassurance. It's predictable. Remeron induces sleep, especially at low doses like you're taking.
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:39:20
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED » crazychickuk, posted by Larry Hoover on July 26, 2003, at 15:34:48
Well i just awoke this morning with a bad ear, and my right hand gland was swollen. now being the night time, my right ear is still a little sore, and my through is little fuzzy, BUT saying this my dad has had a bad cold for a while, and my daughter is a little bad, i aint been near my dad mind BUT my daughter has, i must admit i always suffer with that ear, and my through, plus i smoke alot too, so i just dont know... i will probably take it just as i am going to bed.. then again tommorrow, i dont want to give up, i know if i dont take it tonight or tommorrow i will be gutted... and when i go to the doctors on monday for blood test then it will not show any thing as the mirtazapine will be out of my system surley in 2 days? ahhhhhhhhhhh i just dont know... :( :( :( :(
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:48:30
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:39:20
o i am so upset i forgot to mention the thrush i got on my tongue, well i think it is thrush, it is white and sore. ? sore more than white hummmm.. ok but seriousley i will rewrite in an understandable way for u...
i started 15mg remeron sunday night, start getting dizzy, wed,thur, friday was better in the day just at night when i was due i knew when i was due cus i felt dizzy, took my tab ass usual, within 2 hrs i cant more i am so tired i go to bed and go straight to sleep which i loved... then wake up after 12 hrs sleep and i am tired till coffee kicks in, but stil a little setaded.. ummmm today i woke up not even been on this med for a week, then i notice, i got a sore ear, and swollen gland both on right hand side, sore tongue, and basiclly worried enough to ring doc on call, said to stop taking remeron goto doctors on monday for blood test etc... BUT i dont want to stop this med as i am sure it may not be causing this... ? my daughter been bad recently, maybe i caught something of of her? i always suffered with ear infections n e ways and my wisdom tooth on thats side is coming through too and i smoke.. ???? .. so i just dont know what to do, i know if i dont take it tonight and i goto the docs monday for my blood test the remeron will be out of my system surely, so they wouldnt beable to tell about my blood count?
Any ways guys.... WHAT SHALL I DO? if u were me WHAT WOULD U DO?
Thanx for being my only freinds...
Posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 16:41:28
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 15:39:20
Here goes.
I'm just going to say it as I see it.
First of all it seems to me that you have a case of the 'wishy washies'. When you *take* the drug you panic, and when someone tells you that you can't take the drug you panic.I can understand your situation. You've tried a lot of other meds and you really want this one to work. Don't let that cloud your judgment about what it is doing to you.
So basically
Continue the drug if you want or
discontinue it if you want.
Remember, in the very *least* that they are coming out with new drugs for these disorders as we speak, so you will *never* reach the end of your options.I was just wondering if you had tried lithium.
Linkadge
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 18:28:10
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 16:41:28
Thankyou for your post... are you still on remeron? what dose? what side affects have u had? No never tryed lithium? i am in the uk and i dont think the doctors would know what this is here took me a while to get another name for remeron used in the uk... then came upon a site where i got drug names from.. so i went to the doctor and here i am now.... i want to take it, BUT it is 1am here now and i wouldve took it at 11 pm latest, its to late for me to take it now, as my daughter is back home so i would have to get up with her in the morning not like 2 pm... what does lithium do?
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 18:52:53
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 18:28:10
Hi me again, just had to write here, i am freaking, i was sat in my garden talking to my neighbours, (an old couple) and they made me a cup of tea, so i took it, then went to the toilet came back down stairs, drank it etc, then they went in etc, as soon as i came in, i feel manic.. BIG TIME, i cant sit down for long, i feel like doing stuff, i am so manic... i am freaking tat maybe they have spiked me, my heart is racing, i am sweating, i know they wouldnt do that to me, they are old couple and are very nice people, BT it feels as if i have had something... ahhhh i am freaking, I have just taken my half of remeron, cus i need it, i think i am calming down now as i am typing.. thanx for reading..
Posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 19:02:31
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 18:28:10
I took Remeron for two months. It worked well as an antidepressant. I dicontinued it because I was hungry all the time, however some say that subisdes over time.
I am almost positive that lithium would be availabe where you are, it is probably the most common medication in the world.
It is used in bipolar disorder which is represented by mood swings from mania to depression. It is used alone for bipolar and is used in conjunction with other meds
to augment them. It has strong antiagressive effects and antisuicide effects and is very calming.It is possible you have bipolar disorder. Especially if antidepressants in general make you agressive/agitated or generally very high strung.
Linkadge
Posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 19:08:23
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by linkadge on July 26, 2003, at 19:02:31
OK thanx i will ask about it, did i mention i just took my remeron..?
Posted by Jasmine Neroli on July 27, 2003, at 22:30:06
In reply to Re: update on remeron and it is bad :( i am so PISSED, posted by crazychickuk on July 26, 2003, at 19:08:23
Hello there CC. At the dose of Remeron you are taking (15mg) you will feel very sleepy and dizzy, even during the day - hours after you have taken it. A lot of people (me included) have found success on higher dosage (I take 45mg). I rarely get dizzy spells or sleepiness during the day now. The leg swelling (which had been a problem for me)and the EXTREME irritability that I had to begin with, has also gone after a week on 45mg. You seem to be getting irritable and that might be a side effect of the low dose. In my opinion, you should hang in with Remeron and when you get checked out for the ear/throat infection, ask your doc if you can go up to 30 or 45mg of Remeron. You don't have to do this gradually. I was ready to quit Remeron 7 days after starting on the lower dose cuz of the same side effects (plus more!), but switching to 45mg has made a HUGE difference to me. I hope it will help you too. By the way, I am from the UK and they do have Lithium , but I don't think a regular GP doc would like to prescribe it. It is used for Bi-polar disorder and is sometimes used alongside anti-depressants. The way you write your posts makes me also think you might fit the criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder too. Of course, I'm no Psychiatrist! But here are a couple of links to follow where you can read up on Borderline Personality Disorder and Bi-Polar. You might find something there you relate to. Have a look around. Best of luck to you! Take care of yourself.
www.psycom.net/depression.central.bipolar.html and www.toddlertime.com/borderline/index.htm
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