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Posted by jsarirose on April 2, 2003, at 17:17:04
A while back there was a discussion on this list about Soy Sauce and MAOIs. Someone had found a study of different soy sauce brands and their tyramine contents. I know it vary wildly. Does anyone recall that information or is the original poster still around?
(I tried a search of past messages but couldn't find anything.)
Thanks,
Jessica
Posted by cybercafe on April 2, 2003, at 20:15:43
In reply to Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by jsarirose on April 2, 2003, at 17:17:04
> A while back there was a discussion on this list about Soy Sauce and MAOIs. Someone had found a study of different soy sauce brands and their tyramine contents. I know it vary wildly. Does anyone recall that information or is the original poster still around?
>
> (I tried a search of past messages but couldn't find anything.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jessicathat was probably me ... i remember at the time sticking to kikoman, so it must have come out as pretty safe
Posted by cybercafe on April 2, 2003, at 20:38:08
In reply to Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by jsarirose on April 2, 2003, at 17:17:04
> A while back there was a discussion on this list about Soy Sauce and MAOIs. Someone had found a study of different soy sauce brands and their tyramine contents. I know it vary wildly. Does anyone recall that information or is the original poster still around?
>
> (I tried a search of past messages but couldn't find anything.)
>
> Thanks,
> Jessicaok here goes
Refining the MAOI Diet: Tyramine Content of Pizzas and Soy Products
Kenneth I. Shulman, M.D. etc etc
and Scott E. Walkerfirst of all, the author states that "all soy sauces and indeed all soybean products should be avoided"
having said that, the following levels of tyramine (mg) were detected in 15 mL servings of soy sauce
Wing's 0.1483
Kimlan 0.5496
Ozeki Sashimi 1.2488
Pearl River 3.3652
Kikkoman 0.4351so, how did the lamictal trial go?
Posted by jsarirose on April 3, 2003, at 3:10:18
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by cybercafe on April 2, 2003, at 20:38:08
> so, how did the lamictal trial go?Thanks for the soy info again. I passed it on to those asking (on the Yahoo MAOI group).
The Lamictal was a bust. I got up to 300mg and started having side effects. Increased dizziness, nausea, sleepiness... So I tapered off. So much for that one! Now I'm going to try Seroquel to help with mood stability and sleeping (I seem to either sleep much too much, or can't sleep at all.) I don't usually handle anti-psychotics very well though, but the doctor said this is a mild one. If it doesn't work we'll try Topamax again. I was on it before and had terrible acne, but perhaps at a low dose of 25mg it won't be bad. It's great to help with appetite anyway. I don't remember it being particularly sedating though.
Well, I'm not too hopeful. But I'll be upping the Parnate back to 100mg too.
How're you doing these days?
-Jessica (jsarirose1@attbi.com)
Posted by utopizen on April 3, 2003, at 15:39:35
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by jsarirose on April 3, 2003, at 3:10:18
I've decided against taking an MAOI today. I like tofu too much!
Posted by jsarirose on April 3, 2003, at 19:17:21
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by utopizen on April 3, 2003, at 15:39:35
> I've decided against taking an MAOI today. I like tofu too much!
Nothing wrong with tofu! It's fresh, soy is fine if not aged. Tempeh isn't allowed and that's why there's a bit of confusion over soy sauce/tamari. Some are aged/fermented more than others. From my experience most seem to be safe, and Cybercafe gave us a list of brands.
I eat lots of tofu.
-Jessica
Posted by cubbybear on April 5, 2003, at 8:15:33
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by jsarirose on April 3, 2003, at 19:17:21
I don't understand this restrriction on soy sauce. Does this mean that a person taking an MAOI can't eat anything in a Chinese restaurant or buffet because they use soy sauce in everything?
Posted by cybercafe on April 5, 2003, at 18:16:29
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by cubbybear on April 5, 2003, at 8:15:33
> I don't understand this restrriction on soy sauce. Does this mean that a person taking an MAOI can't eat anything in a Chinese restaurant or buffet because they use soy sauce in everything?
depends on who you ask
though i don't think "they use soy sauce in everything"
Posted by cubbybear on April 5, 2003, at 22:13:55
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by cybercafe on April 5, 2003, at 18:16:29
> > I don't understand this restrriction on soy sauce. Does this mean that a person taking an MAOI can't eat anything in a Chinese restaurant or buffet because they use soy sauce in everything?
>
> depends on who you ask
>
> though i don't think "they use soy sauce in everything"Does anyone know how to say "does this food contain soy sauce in Chinese?"?
>
>
Posted by cybercafe on April 5, 2003, at 23:16:32
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by cubbybear on April 5, 2003, at 22:13:55
> > > I don't understand this restrriction on soy sauce. Does this mean that a person taking an MAOI can't eat anything in a Chinese restaurant or buffet because they use soy sauce in everything?
> >
> > depends on who you ask
> >
> > though i don't think "they use soy sauce in everything"
>
> Does anyone know how to say "does this food contain soy sauce in Chinese?"?neih gaw choy nidouh yauh mo "soy sauce" ahhhhh?
(cantonese)the mandarin would be
shoo shaw shiing show shhhooo
just kidding :)
seriously though... i think things like curry beef probably contain curry and not soy sauce
Posted by jsarirose on April 7, 2003, at 23:52:36
In reply to Re: Soy Sauce MAOIs, posted by cybercafe on April 5, 2003, at 23:16:32
> > > > I don't understand this restrriction on soy sauce. Does this mean that a person taking an MAOI can't eat anything in a Chinese restaurant or buffet because they use soy sauce in everything?
> > >Soy sauce isn't necessarily 100% off limits! There are only certain, very few, rarer, brands that have high levels of tyramine. I eat Chinese all the time. I don't necessarily get dishes that are heavily soy sauced like Teriyaki, and I don't add any to my dish, but there are a ton of dishes that aren't soy based. A teeny bit isn't going to hurt.
-Jessica
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