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Posted by chad_3 on November 4, 2002, at 1:58:57
By the way, hey did you guys know KLONOPIN good for Social phobia (that covers med req'rmnt for board right)?
Also - ANYONE TO ASSIST WITH MALPRACTICE LAWSUIT,
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Posted by utopizen on November 4, 2002, at 7:21:02
In reply to Seek assistance for malpracitice lawsuit, posted by chad_3 on November 4, 2002, at 1:58:57
Chad,
Doctors are not responsible to disclose side effects of any drug, including antipsychotics. They are also not responsible for what happens to you after they prescribe a certain drug.
This is well established. If it weren't, doctors would be sued all the time. It would be thrown out of court before you could even see a judge. It's not malpractice, and I've already explained this to you.
I realize you're concerned, but please also realize trying to sue a doctor for malpractice when you can't is simply a waste of time.
Good luck with battling your SP.
Posted by chad_3 on November 5, 2002, at 1:18:51
In reply to Re: Seek assistance for malpracitice lawsuit, posted by utopizen on November 4, 2002, at 7:21:02
Hi there Utizopian -
First - on Klonopin for SP - yes, I think it works well for a lot of people. Nardil also. Let me also address your comment now:
Well buddy - I don't know where you are living but you are simply incorrect. There is a lot of information on this topic available. Besides I have already discussed this with a lawyer - and previous Dr's have concurred on the basic premise of avenues in such a case in mine.
Let me give you an example which is not my example but similar. Let me cite a different drug and problem. In fact this one is quite different indeed. This is a different avenue entirely - but negligence nevertheless. Let's say a "Dr. DoLittle" - he writes you gives you samples of imipramine. The Dr. gives you some old pills which are 10 grams each. He tells you to take 50 grams of imipramine each day starting today - and to disconinue your 300 effexor today as you start your 50 grams daily of imipramine.
You may have a very deadly overdose of imipramine going there. That is grounds for a lawsuit - due to negligence.
Example 2: You have Parkinson's disease, and go to Dr. Do-Little and say you are are a bit anxious about an upcoming job where you will be very busy and have to meet a whole new crew. Dr. Do-Little tells you that you are anxious - too anxious - and you need medication. He prescribes you a neuroleptic drug - thorazine - which has excellent anti-anxiety properties. The dose is within limits of a high dose for one with skitzophrenia. He also say to add Provigil- 100mg per day - because this should offset any sedations from thorazine.
You continue on this regime for a couple months. To your surprise - you like it. You never heard of thorazine or antipsychotics but god what a great drug it is. You have no idea the side effects of any of your meds because Dr. Do-Little didn't mention it.
You decide after seeing Dr. Do-Little that you don't need thorazine anymore because you are so happy at work that it is the highlight of your day and you can't imagine NOT going to work - it is so much fun. And the sexual dysfunction of thorzine you finally explain to him is not much fun anyway.
So you stop throrazine, a pretty quick taper - per Dr. instruction, and also the Provigil. You discover your Parkinson's is now 3 times worse, and you have disabling tardive chorea, dyskinesia, movements in jaw, face, tongue, and body. You move slow though, with tremor. It all depends on your energy level, but you really are screwed up compared to 3 months ago. You cannot work - and are bedridden.
You have a case dude. That is called medical malpractice. Your odds of victory with a good lawyer approach 100%.
See ya - write back if you have something quotable from a reputable source. Otherwise - this is the way it works guy.
Chad
> Chad,
>
> Doctors are not responsible to disclose side effects of any drug, including antipsychotics. They are also not responsible for what happens to you after they prescribe a certain drug.
>
> This is well established. If it weren't, doctors would be sued all the time. It would be thrown out of court before you could even see a judge. It's not malpractice, and I've already explained this to you.
>
> I realize you're concerned, but please also realize trying to sue a doctor for malpractice when you can't is simply a waste of time.
>
> Good luck with battling your SP.
Posted by chad_3 on November 5, 2002, at 1:41:21
In reply to Re: Seek assistance for malpracitice lawsuit, posted by utopizen on November 4, 2002, at 7:21:02
Hi there -
(BTW, I wasn't really expecting any input here - just kind of throwing my first msg out there)...
But Utizopian I will address your comment directly as well as the rather exagerrated examples I provided in last msg.
>>>>>
> Chad,
>
> Doctors are not responsible to disclose side effects of any drug, including antipsychotics.Wrong - by law they are required to warn you of possible movement disorder - this is the law. If you doubt this - call a pharmacist - or better yet call a lawyer who deals in medication induced drug disorders and tell him (lie) that you were not warned that it's dangerous to mix Effexor with Nardil - due to risk of hypertensive crisis -
Dude if you don't buy this I don't know what to say to you man ... and all examples previous too and below too...
and ask him on the warning about TD from throazine also. A pharmamist should know but ask a lawyer. Don't ask your psychiatrist though. Ask your general Dr - they will tell you the facts also. Do not ask anyone who has any reason (selfish) to not tell you truth - or who is ignorant on the question you ask.
They are also not responsible for what happens to you after they prescribe a certain drug.really - why is malpractice costs so high in CA that Dr's complain and sometimes leave the state. You bet your ass they are responsible for gross negligence.
>
> This is well established. If it weren't, doctors would be sued all the time.Ahem. insurance can be high - and they really do prefer the safe ssri's (safe in high overdose) - for a reason ...
"This is well established"? Where do you live dude - on Mars? Sorry pal - I can't say it any straighter to you.
It would be thrown out of court before you could even see a judge.
Hmmmm. How would I get in court without seeing the judge. : ) (just kidding pal)
It's not malpractice, and I've already explained this to you.
um. ok. if I say "you're right" will you stop telling me that?
>
> I realize you're concerned, but please also realize trying to sue a doctor for malpractice when you can't is simply a waste of time.Well - actually that statement is technically correct - trying to sue when I can't - that would be a waste of time - agree with you there Ut.
>
> Good luck with battling your SP.Thanks. I've been doing it for most of my life so I guess I might as keep on going eh?
See ya. :) Thanks but please just reply with an actual book to back up your comments (something post 1995 for USA). I understand your opinion - you have a right to it but - well the book won't help because there isn't one to back you up but if you find something then feel free to write me - otherwise frankly I'm very busy with some things right now.
No offense - but your comments are kinda dangerous for people to here - what if somebody out there listens to you and believes you and they got pseudotumor cerebri and also a drunk Dr. cut out their eye by mistake during surgery and they listened to you? I mean few people would do that but still - .. see what I mean - you say dangerous stuff which is why I reply this way.
Chad
Chad
Posted by oracle on November 5, 2002, at 22:09:53
In reply to Seek assistance for malpracitice lawsuit, posted by chad_3 on November 4, 2002, at 1:58:57
What "assistance" do you need ? You said you have
counsel, so tell them to file it.I do agree that AP's for SA is a bad idea, if I had to make the choice. I disagree that doc's
must tell about side effects. Docs have to make the educated, informed choice that X med has more benefits than risks for the given patient and condition. My HMO does not pay for enough time for the doc to go over every possible side effect. I have never had a primary doc mention side effects. I think if they did,
many would never take their meds. Case in point:My grandmother lived with us for the last 10 yrs of her life, while I was in HS. She had major depression and was a major pain. Needy, sickly,
weak, ect. Totally unlike she was when my grandfather was still alive. These last years forever tainted my memories of her.
Her doc prescribed antidepressants and the monograph insert was included when the med was filled. My parents read it and did not allow her to take the
AD. Nor did anyone offer any other
treatment for her depression, so she became less and less functional. All because of "side effects" that COULD of happened.Should your doc inform you of SE's that have low instance ? No. Should a doc be held accountable if the risks far outweighed the benefits, provided the risks
were known and their was no patient informed consent ? Yes. Should a doc be help accountable for every unusual side effect, that cannot be predicted ? No.
We pay the docs to weigh the risks, and decide for us because we are not docs.I fear that one day I will have to sign a consent form to have my blood pressure taken !
I do have to question, for myself, the reasoning of someone who posts here with knowledge; allowing themselves to be placed on AP's for a non psychotic
condition. Your posts can be used against you.I do not know the specifics of your treatment, Chad. I get a lot of anger from your posts, so I avoid them. Anger is a stage on the way to getting well but it is
also a stage I cannot offer help at. So what I say here is specific to
AP's, SA, and AP's side effects:I think a case can be made that AP's are not a safe treatment for SA. The risks are clear with AP's and SA does not totally disable someone (vs the way
Schizophrenia does). The risks of addiction to benzos (quite low), the fact that there are no lasting or long term problems if you stop them (rare exceptions),
& and the fact they have been prescribed for decades makes them a far safer choice than possible TD, EPS, ect, given that these conditions (TD,EPS,ect) are
for life.I also feel SA is not a physical disorder, that
its basis is in psychology. This does not make it any less a problem than any other mental illness.
All the more reason to not pull out the big guns (AP's) when psychology can offer treatment and a possible cure.Everybody threatening lawsuits is tiresome.
If you are going to do it, just do it. Let me know when the class is certified, otherwise I am not interested.
Posted by chad_3 on November 6, 2002, at 0:16:56
In reply to Re: Seek assistance for malpracitice lawsuit, posted by oracle on November 5, 2002, at 22:09:53
http://www.parkinsons-information-exchange-network-online.com/archive/093.html
Q: What "assistance" do you need ?A: None - was just a header - like most of the stuff here don't take so literally.
Just to catch attention - like your name you know?
BTW, Oradcle your msg was long but tone I caught on first couple lines - enuf to get the drift. Sorry did not read the rest of your long-winded msg. Also don't waste time on this you won't be intersted if what your last line said is true (yep - I scanned the last line also)
ps klonopin good for sp
prozac new pill out ..and ..
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Posted by Dr. Bob on November 6, 2002, at 8:08:42
In reply to A link .. klonopin good for sp also, posted by chad_3 on November 6, 2002, at 0:16:56
> Everybody threatening lawsuits is tiresome.
> If you are going to do it, just do it. Let me know when the class is certified, otherwise I am not interested.
>
> oracle> Q: What "assistance" do you need ?
>
> A: None - was just a header - like most of the stuff here don't take so literally.
>
> Just to catch attention - like your name you know?
>
> Sorry did not read the rest of your long-winded msg.
>
> chad_3Please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. And please don't post anything just to get attention, either. Thanks,
Bob
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