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Posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 19:56:38
I am on 300 mg of Wellbutrin right now and am wondering if anyone knows of any interaction between Wellbutrin and crystal meth or has experience with it?
I didn't wwant to get into big details with my psychiatrist, but he said just to drink lots of water and that I probably wouldn't die ;).
Anyone else know more or have experience? Please help.
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Posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 20:29:08
In reply to Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 19:56:38
It shouldn't be if you're taking 5 mg of Desoxyn =)
If you like meth so much, maybe your doc could prescribe Desoxyn if it's cool with getting DEA audits and all...
Posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 20:34:57
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 20:29:08
Not super familiar with prescripts and stuff, what is Desoxyn?
> It shouldn't be if you're taking 5 mg of Desoxyn =)
>
> If you like meth so much, maybe your doc could prescribe Desoxyn if it's cool with getting DEA audits and all...
Posted by 1NF1N17R1P on August 26, 2002, at 21:18:02
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 20:29:08
why are you messing with crystal meth when you are on psychiatric meds. crystal meth in and of itself will kill you, nevermind mixing with other drugs.
take it from me, i want to do ecsatcy and coke every day, but i know that while i am on psych meds, its a bad move. i dont want to die, and i dont want to wind up incapacitated in a hospital somehere because i couldnt control my cravings for illegal drugs. mind over matter man. keep control.
Posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 21:27:25
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 20:34:57
> Not super familiar with prescripts and stuff, what is Desoxyn?
Desoxyn is methamphetamine. It's called "crystal meth" on the streets. It's made by Abbot Labs, and is considered like a third line of treatment in ADHD... if Rit and Add don't work, and if Dex don't work, and if something else I haven't heard of doesn't work, Desoxyn is what you go on. Although I've heard cases on the net where some get desoxyn as their first line of treatment in ADD without even asking- this is highly unusual, but I do wish they published their doctor's address so I could re-locate nearby.
Rit is cool, kinda, but I doubt it gives me the same strength/school performance meth could give me-- although I haven't tried it.
Desoxyn is approved in 3+, and is more commonly (yet still rarely) used in children 3-12 due to their non-abuse potential. Even so, caution is given because often abusers are parents of children taking these drugs.
Posted by Jerrympls on August 26, 2002, at 21:57:11
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 21:27:25
Is Desoxyn (methamphetamine) more addictive than Dexedrine and/or Adderall? If so, what makes it more addictive? The press it's gotten as a hard-core street drug made from sudafed and scrap metal? (just kidding about the scrap metal).
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Posted by 1NF1N17R1P on August 26, 2002, at 22:27:05
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 26, 2002, at 21:27:25
pardon me if i am missing something, but crystal meth is a street drug. with that having been said, the answer to the question,"Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??", is absolutely, most certainly, YES!
no a methamphetamine expert by any stretch of the imagination, but i believe that it is a essential, absolutely fundamenal, understanding, that the- what should i call it?, "intelliegent", "casual", "recreational" drug user", should have, and that is, understanding that any drug that you get on the street is potentially dangerous. consider the way legal medication has side effects, or adverse effects despite the fact that they are produced by the best advised, most educated branch of scientists on the planet earth. than consider that street drugs are produced by criminal minded individuals with very little knowledge in the area of science or medicine, or pharmacy.
Posted by utopizen on August 27, 2002, at 5:49:19
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by 1NF1N17R1P on August 26, 2002, at 22:27:05
Okay... but Desoxyn isn't a street drug, it's only a street drug if you get it from the street- which I wouldn't reccomend.
And it would be impossible to abuse Desoxyn, given its qty. limits...
Posted by sk8rigid on August 27, 2002, at 9:40:53
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 27, 2002, at 5:49:19
ok the point was I understand that it's never "smart" or "totally safe" to use illegal drugs. Everyone knows that. But what I was looking for was non-judgemental, objective advice from those with knowledge or experience. We all know it is illegal etc etc but we also know it happens. So shouldn't someone be as informed as possible to whatever knowledge is out there, rather than shamed and chastised into simply not asking and not being informed?
All good, but something to think about.
> Okay... but Desoxyn isn't a street drug, it's only a street drug if you get it from the street- which I wouldn't reccomend.
>
> And it would be impossible to abuse Desoxyn, given its qty. limits...
Posted by Jackd on August 27, 2002, at 16:43:27
In reply to Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 19:56:38
I always try to keep up to date on which recreational drugs are ok with what medications for my own personal, uh, curiousity. Anyway, I couldn't find anything constraining the use of amphetanine or any CNS stimulant drugs with Bupropion. Here's something interesting I read:
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Dopamine uptake inhibitors block long-term neurotoxic effects of methamphetamine upon dopaminergic neurons.
Marek GJ, Vosmer G, Seiden LS.
Department of Pharmacological and Physiological Sciences, University of Chicago, IL 60637.
A single large dose (100 mg/kg, s.c.) of methamphetamine (MA) is known to exert neurotoxic effects on dopaminergic neurons. The potency at which a series of dopamine (DA) uptake inhibitors blocked MA-induced neostriatal depletions (amfonelic acid (AFA) much greater than mazindol (MAZ) greater than or equal to bupropion (BUP) greater than benztropine (BENZ)) was similar to their potency at blocking 6-hydroxydopamine (6-OHDA) neurotoxicity in rats. Amfonelic acid was able to block long-term neostriatal DA depletions when given 8 h, but not 16 h, after a single large MA dose. These results suggest that an intact and functional DA uptake site is necessary for the development of MA-induced long-term DA depletions.
PMID: 2140952 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Hmmmmmmmmm........ Also apparently Wellbutrin reduces craving for Amphetamine:-----------------------------------------------
Bupropion for amphetamine withdrawal syndrome.Chan-Ob T, Kuntawongse N, Boonyanaruthee V.
Department of Psychiatry, Faculty of Medicine, Chiang Mai University, Thailand.
This study was a case report of an amphetamine abuser who came to see doctor because of amphetamine withdrawal syndrome three days after stopping prolonged use of amphetamine. The patient was treated him with a slow-release bupropion at the dose of 150 mg per day. After taking bupropion, his withdrawal symptoms i.e. dysphoric mood, fatigue, somnolence, and psychomotor retardation gradually disappeared within two to three days. Moreover, his craving for amphetamines was absent. The authors discussed the possible application for the clinical use for amphetamine abusers or dependence.
PMID: 11999825 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
----------------------------------------------I don't condone the use of Meth; it's a personal thing for me as it destroyed a few of my close friends. Don't forget these drugs are both stimulants and can excacerbate heart coniditions or hypertension, and may act synergistically. If you're intent on using these two together, experiment slowly and incrementally. I advise you use wisely and with caution.
Posted by utopizen on August 27, 2002, at 19:26:56
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by Jackd on August 27, 2002, at 16:43:27
I'd also check erowid.org- even if you're not a drug person, (I'm not) you'll laugh out loud like I did at some of the people's stories of entering into a drug-induced psychosis.
Perhaps it's my reclaimation of the time when I stupidly mixed marj. with alcohol and vikoden and ended up hearing voices, pacing, feeling like I was in hell as everything benignly slowed down to the point I became incapable of holding a one dollar bill steady enough to enter into the snack machine.... oh, yeah, and not to forget the cops who were hot on my tail in tracking me down for doing drugs (which at the time I failed to remind myself that I had a prescription for, minus the cannabis)
Anyway, point is, don't mix drugs if you ever even do them, and better yet, take drugs like SSRIs or SNRIs (like Wellbutrin) to see if any of them reduce even your desire to have them.
After taking Celexa for 6 months, I only drank when I got into panic "people will find out I'm a social phobe" mode... then I took Neurontin, and both went away.
If you keep up with enough different drug trials, you'll find one that actually should balance you out so much you have no desire whatsoever to do any drug. Even marij. I don't, and I use to love the stuff... now I feel bored on it and look at the time until I sober from it.
Posted by Jackd on August 28, 2002, at 0:19:07
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by utopizen on August 27, 2002, at 19:26:56
> If you keep up with enough different drug trials, you'll find one that actually should balance you out so much you have no desire whatsoever to do any drug. Even marij. I don't, and I use to love the stuff... now I feel bored on it and look at the time until I sober from it.
Excellent point. I mean, you can do what you want, but if you want to get better you should avoid any drugs. You're basically wasting your time and money by being counterproductive. This is especially true with something as powerful and destabilizing as crystal meth. I know I'm being a bit of a hipocrite because I still drink, but I make sure not to have too much and I definitely stay away from anything else (The other post was my objective reply to your question, this is my subjective anecdote).
Posted by Linkadge on August 28, 2002, at 15:46:53
In reply to Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by sk8rigid on August 26, 2002, at 19:56:38
Dude,
Care about your brain.
Buy some fish oil or
something. As if Meth
isn't enough, you need
to be on Wellbutrin,It is true that Wellbutrin
may negate some of the
dammage from Meth but it will
also block the high. SSRIs
block most of MDMA's EuhporiaBesides, if you really knew what
mental ilness was you would be too
scarred to take a drug like this.I'd rather have a completely
disfigured body than a completely
disfugured brain.Best of Luck
Linkadge
Posted by utopizen on August 28, 2002, at 17:58:13
In reply to Re: Wellbutrin and Crystal Meth -- dangerous??, posted by Linkadge on August 28, 2002, at 15:46:53
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> Buy some fish oil or
> something.What about caring about fish too?
=)
Vegans have mental illness, too! It's what helps us convince docs to get us on MAOIs.
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