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Posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
Hi, I am fairly new here...and have found a lot of information to be very helpful personally, and insightful, generally. But, recent posts supporting illegal use of narcotics as "okay" and liberal thinking, are NOT acceptable to me.
Under NO uncertain terms do I, personally, think that suggesting someone take any sort of illegal narcotic is okay, or in any way acceptable. It is unacceptable, and this is the kind of thinking that is causing the troubles the world has today. Everyone is all, "Screw authority! Screw the laws! As long as it feels good at the time--do it!"
So, good luck to all of you on this grand adventure! This should be a place of support,and information! Not a selling ground for people to say, "Hey, lets get high!"
For those of you who are emailing me, please continue to do so! I will always keep in touch and answer back! It has been great getting know each of you! For any of you that would like to email me, please feel free to do so. sassymom33@hotmail.com Remember, "JUST SAY NO!" Always speak your mind, even if your voice shakes, Aimee!
Posted by XaosSurfer on June 5, 2002, at 9:19:27
In reply to Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
Sassay Mom,
Without commenting on the content of that thread, it seems to me that you are giving up a lot of power to strangers. Within certain boundries, this is a free form discussion board. People are free to post almost anything that they wish to disuss. They do not set the tone, tenor or content of the thread.
This is one of the best resources on psch medicine issues on the Web. Why would you let someone with a different standard from you take you away from such a valuable resource? Why would you make such a public show of it?
These might be useful questions for you to ask yourself.
Either way, good luck and good health.
Paul
Posted by omega man on June 5, 2002, at 18:43:06
In reply to Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
Listen you are taking what I say far too seriously..its just my story...have'nt I indicated that I think most people should'nt have these drugs ? also if society is going thru a hedonistic period and that does not suit you..then youre just experiencing existing in a period where living styles may not be to your taste...but I would not judge you as wrong or not worthy of being here...
I get some good from my drug use so is that not ok ?..
I will use a drug for specific problem..as a tool..but also sometimes to provide enhancement...
say its dull weather and I get really low (I suffer from SAD) if a good really hot day hits..i'll want to amplify and intensify how I live that day ..so it rides me thru the next week of greyness...so I would look at cutting myself some cannibas and make a yogurt and go play street hockey...and I know that straight it would be about evening before I get the benefit by which time I've barely made use of the sun..but using a drug to accelerate how I metabolise that hot time...feels really good for the following week and does not lead to more of the drug use...
if it stays hot the following days thats a bonus and I'll not need to take anything...
thats what I mean by not letting the chemical control your life..but as something to help how
you live..
Do you really have such a problem ?...if rules are what you go by then thats fine.. rules exist for good reason...I would want to know why a rule has made it to law...with drugs though rules tend to be slow to follow what people really want and need..I don't think governments understand the loss of faith and why people really need drugs to help get in touch with the religous type part of ourselves to re-invent some sort of new way of seeing things ...if we know were going to die...then its all the more important to maximize how we liveThe price of our time here living is judged by how we feel..we are biological chemical beings that respond to chemicals ...human evolution goes hand in hand with this..and its happening right here on psycho-babble...I'm glad to be here..and I'm not trying to beat you into going...if you can't appreciate the sentiment or don't get it..then how will you if you leave Psycho-babble ?
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Posted by jonh kimble on June 6, 2002, at 20:19:46
In reply to Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
>"JUST SAY NO!" Always speak your mind
Isnt that self contradicting? what if one was to say "i would like to further investigate this option." just saying no would not be speaking(or doing)what is on there minds. and speaking our minds, within certain boundries, is all we here are doing.
the issue of illegal drugs is certainly an interesting and important one. this site definetly does not revolve around this issue, but being a drug related site, i see this kind of discussion as being very much relevant. this is a discussion, and in a discussion people do give there opinions. you may not like something i say, and i may not like something you say. but to completely throw something away based one event, i would say not a good idea. im certainly up to discuss the reasons you find something not to your liking.
and regarding the issue of disobaying laws, im afraid that like omega man said, these laws do not always speak for the majority of people. i certainly would not want my child to be aborted, but this is perfectly legal. (not to bash north american law, i think its some of the best in the world) or for example the nazis forced young men to fight for them or die, and by fighting for them many had to do horrific things. would disobaying the law here be wrong? i dont think so. i know this comparison is not on an equivalent level, but simply to bring in the underlying idea.
if you say illegal drugs= evil, i assume you mean in every way. i agree that certain drugs have there bad side, but to write them off as 100% evil i believe is not looking at the whole picture.
anyway, feel free to respond, sassymom33 or anyone else.
jon
Posted by Elizabeth on June 7, 2002, at 2:56:43
In reply to Re: Always speak your mind, posted by jonh kimble on June 6, 2002, at 20:19:46
> >"JUST SAY NO!" Always speak your mind
>
> Isnt that self contradicting?Yes. It sounds to me like she means "always speak your mind...as long as you don't disagree with me." Nobody's making her take drugs; I don't get why she's so furious that not everyone shares her opinion.
> and regarding the issue of disobaying laws, im afraid that like omega man said, these laws do not always speak for the majority of people.
I think that whether the laws are rational and constitutional is more important than whether they are supported by the majority of people. A lot of the drug laws in the USA are arguably unconstitutional, including the Controlled Substances Act itself.
> if you say illegal drugs= evil, i assume you mean in every way. i agree that certain drugs have there bad side, but to write them off as 100% evil i believe is not looking at the whole picture.
Psychologists sometimes call this "black-or-white thinking." "Sassymom33"'s posts are full of examples.
-elizabeth
Posted by Phil on June 7, 2002, at 6:41:52
In reply to Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
Do you drive? Ever pushed a little over the speed limit? Ever? Ever not come to a COMPLETE stop at a stop sign? Ever dial your cell phone while driving?
I'll be waiting for your answer but you seem to want to post and run. Tell me what illegal drugs specifically are evil? No, nevermind.
You know, driving over the speed limit is evil. Scoot thru an intersection on a r-ellow light? Tsk, tsk.
Posted by NikkiT2 on June 7, 2002, at 11:16:19
In reply to Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by SassyMom33 on June 4, 2002, at 4:10:13
Remember also, that a drug that is illegal in one country may not be illegal in another.
There are many prescription meds in the US that aren't available int he UK, but should I not take, say Xanax, if I can get some, because its illegal in the UK (I'm in UK by the way).???
Nikki
Posted by JonW on June 7, 2002, at 11:54:09
In reply to Re: Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off..., posted by NikkiT2 on June 7, 2002, at 11:16:19
> Remember also, that a drug that is illegal in one country may not be illegal in another.
>
> There are many prescription meds in the US that aren't available int he UK, but should I not take, say Xanax, if I can get some, because its illegal in the UK (I'm in UK by the way).???
>
> NikkiEveryone's throwing labels around like "illegal" and "evil" and whatever, but to me when treating mental illness every case is individual and the primary emphasis should be on improving the quality of life. Drugs should be respected as chemicals that affect the individual and impact our society. How we deal with all of this is not a black and white issue.
Jon
p.s. I know this is an emotional issue, but can't we all just get along? "Please be civil" you know...
Posted by jonh kimble on June 8, 2002, at 0:51:17
In reply to Re: Illegal Drugs Not an Option-signing off... » NikkiT2, posted by JonW on June 7, 2002, at 11:54:09
not black or white... relativity is... the sometimes unfornate... sometimes useful... reality of our human lives
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