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Posted by geno on December 23, 2001, at 19:56:21
hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
geno
Posted by ChrisK on December 24, 2001, at 2:04:17
In reply to Remeron Vs ELavil, posted by geno on December 23, 2001, at 19:56:21
Just my own reaction:
Remeron made me noy only sedated but emotionally numb. Really didn't have a big effect on my depression but did leave me feeling lifeless. The only real side effect was the sedation.
Elavil (amitriptyline) had some effect on my baseline depression. Had to switch to Nortriptyline due to El's potential for OD. Both of the TCA's left me with dry mouth but not much else. Maybe a little sedation but not enough that I was falling asleep all day long. I still take Nortrip as my main AD and am pretty satisfied with it. It seems like there are still a lot of people who don't react to the SSRI's who are served well by the older TCA's. I wish more pdocs would pay attention to that.
> hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
> geno
Posted by Mitch on December 26, 2001, at 18:55:38
In reply to Remeron Vs ELavil, posted by geno on December 23, 2001, at 19:56:21
> hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
> genoGeno,
IF it wasn't for TCA's cardiovascular sfx, I think Elavil would be superior to Remeron generally. It doesn't make you nowhere near as hungry and it is easier to build some tolerance to the sedation from the TCA than Remeron. Also, Elavil seems to be "energizing" without making you anxious like Remeron can.
Mitch
Posted by geno on December 27, 2001, at 18:24:25
In reply to Re: Remeron Vs ELavil » geno, posted by Mitch on December 26, 2001, at 18:55:38
> > hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
> > geno
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> Geno,
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> IF it wasn't for TCA's cardiovascular sfx, I think Elavil would be superior to Remeron generally. It doesn't make you nowhere near as hungry and it is easier to build some tolerance to the sedation from the TCA than Remeron. Also, Elavil seems to be "energizing" without making you anxious like Remeron can.
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> MitchMitch, a friend of mine is on elavil. he said when he takes it, 30 minues later he feels high, and then sleeps for a long time. I gave him remeron and he said there was no high, just became tired like he took a cap of niquil and fell alseep. He said the high is like he smoked mariuanna or took a few vicodin. He said he doesnt eat alot either, but does feel better.
I wonder if elavil will be better for low mood?
geno
Posted by Mitch on December 27, 2001, at 22:55:25
In reply to Re: Remeron Vs ELavil, posted by geno on December 27, 2001, at 18:24:25
> > > hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
> > > geno
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> > Geno,
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> > IF it wasn't for TCA's cardiovascular sfx, I think Elavil would be superior to Remeron generally. It doesn't make you nowhere near as hungry and it is easier to build some tolerance to the sedation from the TCA than Remeron. Also, Elavil seems to be "energizing" without making you anxious like Remeron can.
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> > Mitch
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> Mitch, a friend of mine is on elavil. he said when he takes it, 30 minues later he feels high, and then sleeps for a long time. I gave him remeron and he said there was no high, just became tired like he took a cap of niquil and fell alseep. He said the high is like he smoked mariuanna or took a few vicodin. He said he doesnt eat alot either, but does feel better.
> I wonder if elavil will be better for low mood?
> genoGeez, I never got "high" on it, but there *are* a lot of folks that have chronic pain problems that take it for that purpose and it can be quite effective. I have heard that Neurontin+Amitriptyline can be quite a "power-combo" for chronic pain, fibromyalgia, etc. Who knows?, folks that get some response to their depression from opiates might find that combo to be an effective one for them as well.
Mitch
Posted by nightlight on December 28, 2001, at 8:30:19
In reply to Remeron Vs ELavil, posted by geno on December 23, 2001, at 19:56:21
> hello, has anyone tried both these ads. what are the difference, esp in sid effects. Will eleavil make me hungry as remeron? Will elavil improve my mood and help me sleep >
> genoGeno,
I tried.amytrip (Elavil), nortrip, & desipramine, all for chronic pain (& hoping they wd. help depression). I stayed on desip.(norpramine) the longest, 'cause my pain was so bad-100 mgs. a day for 4 months. I got over all TCA sedation s-e's after 1 week, then felt nothing except extreme dry mouth and a driving urge for sweets.I was neither sedated, nor stimulated-maybe my dose was too low. The sweets and dry mouth really had an adverse affect on my teeth, for which I am now paying the price (3 yrs. later).Don't remember why I was prescribed Remeron,probably for its rep. for instilling restorative and reg sleep patterns. It was just one in a long list of A-D trials. It had no marked affect on my mood, but I took 30 mgs 30-60 minutes before lights out, and I never slept more smoothly and comfortably in my life. It was the only A-D I ever tried that had a timely and very noticable effect on relieving most of my anxiety (I noticed a marked change in 10 days). I slept 7-8 1/2 hours, woke easily and, after one smaall coffee, felt no grogginess during the day. But, my mood was never improved, and I began to eat, or as I term it, 'graze' constantly. Fear of fat made me quit after 6-7 weeks. Even combining it w/Wellbutrin did not stem the urge to eat, and the depression, lack of motivation, never improved.
For those who lose weight with their dep. episodes, & suffer anxiety & insomnia, it can be an effective med. Also improves muscle relaxation and reparation which are needed during sleep hrs, for those people suffering from Fibro, myofascial pain syndrome and other soft muscle tissue ailments.But, truly, I have have never thought about food so much in my entire life, and everything tasted great!
good luck~
nightlight
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