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Posted by KS on April 7, 2001, at 12:18:12
HI GUYS,
I'VE READ QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL BLUNTING EFFECTS OF MOST ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS. THEY REMOVE THE DEPRESSED/ANXIOUS FEELINGS - TOGETHER WITH ALL THE NEUTRAL/POSITIVE ONE'S TOO! THIS PHENOMENON IS OFTEN CALLED THYMO-ANESTHETIC. I'M A "HARD TO TREAT" DEPRESSIVE (aka 'TREATMENT RESISTANT') SO I'VE DONE MY ROUNDS IN TERMS OF DRUG TRIALS OF JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING. THE ONLY DRUGS THAT ALLEGEDLY DON'T HAVE THIS EFFECT ARE DOPAMINERGIC ANTIDEPRESSANTS LIKE PARNATE, AMINEPTINE, SELEGILINE, ETC. WHAT DO OTHERS HAVE TO SAY? LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. KS
Posted by willow on April 7, 2001, at 13:30:13
In reply to LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by KS on April 7, 2001, at 12:18:12
I've tried many different ADs and have had a numbing effect of some kind with all of them except for trazadone and effexor. The trazadone's only positive effect was that it helped with pain. The effexor is helping with energy, mood, and thinking processes.
Good luck with your search!
Willow
Posted by stjames on April 7, 2001, at 15:14:48
In reply to LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by KS on April 7, 2001, at 12:18:12
I find this "flatting of the affect" dose related and much less on Effexor than any other AD's I have been on (TCA's, SSRI's) The TCA's are the worst in this respect.
PS, just a hint, caps mean you are shouting, so use them very infrequantly. All caps (POSTING LIKE THIS) are harder to read, lower case has more diffecances, curves, serifs, ect to it is easier to read.
james
Posted by willow on April 8, 2001, at 21:23:25
In reply to Re: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by stjames on April 7, 2001, at 15:14:48
> I find this "flatting of the affect" dose related and much less on Effexor than any other AD's I have been on (TCA's, SSRI's) The TCA's are the worst in this respect.
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> PS, just a hint, caps mean you are shouting, so use them very infrequantly. All caps (POSTING LIKE THIS) are harder to read, lower case has more diffecances, curves, serifs, ect to it is easier to read.
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> james
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Posted by ChrisK on April 9, 2001, at 4:48:58
In reply to LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by KS on April 7, 2001, at 12:18:12
KS,
I've had a hard time in the past trying to recover emotions that became blunted on AD's. I went through all of the stimulating types including Adderall and Ritalin with no luck. Going on the Dopamine theories I started Mirapex 3 months ago and it has been great. I have many of my old emotions back and can function on a daily basis. I would say that it is definitely worth looking into. I take it in addition to Nortriptyline and Zyprexa.
Willow,
TCA's are TriCyclic Antidepressants. They are the older family of AD's and include most of the meds that end in -ine (amitriptyline, Immiprimine, Nortriptyline, etc as well as some others). There are many people like myself who don't react to the SSRI's and find hope in the older TCA's.
Posted by willow on April 9, 2001, at 21:31:08
In reply to Re: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by ChrisK on April 9, 2001, at 4:48:58
Don't you find that the nortriptyline affects your emotions? It had this affect on me and also at night when I lied down my heart would beat really hard and fast, the same way as when I started the effexor. (Effexor lists it as a side-effect though the nortriptyline doesn't.) It had also made me short-tempered as did trazadone when I first started it. Strangely only the pharmascist acknowledged these side-effects and the doctor said it couldn't be the medication?
Willow
Posted by ChrisK on April 10, 2001, at 5:24:04
In reply to Re: Nortriptyline EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by willow on April 9, 2001, at 21:31:08
The only real side effect I've had with Nortriptyline is the constant dry mouth. Never had a heart problem.
As far as the emotions it mostly blunted them but a lot less than the SSRI's and remeron did to me. N and Immiprimine have probably done the most for me as far as AD effects.
Posted by KS on April 10, 2001, at 10:38:26
In reply to Re: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL-BLUNTING?, posted by ChrisK on April 9, 2001, at 4:48:58
ChrisK,
Thanks for your reply. Could you please give me some more info about Mirapex (e.g., generic name) as I'd like to see if it's available in South Africa. Also, Why are you taking the Zyprexa? Would it not counter any dopaminergic effects from the Mirapex?
> KS,
>
> I've had a hard time in the past trying to recover emotions that became blunted on AD's. I went through all of the stimulating types including Adderall and Ritalin with no luck. Going on the Dopamine theories I started Mirapex 3 months ago and it has been great. I have many of my old emotions back and can function on a daily basis. I would say that it is definitely worth looking into. I take it in addition to Nortriptyline and Zyprexa.
>
> Willow,
> TCA's are TriCyclic Antidepressants. They are the older family of AD's and include most of the meds that end in -ine (amitriptyline, Immiprimine, Nortriptyline, etc as well as some others). There are many people like myself who don't react to the SSRI's and find hope in the older TCA's.
Posted by ChrisK on April 11, 2001, at 4:55:13
In reply to Re: ChrisK: What's Mirapex?, posted by KS on April 10, 2001, at 10:38:26
Mirapex is Pramipexole and is chiefly prescribed for Parkinson's disease. There have been studies showing that it has antidepressant effects as well. I thought that the Zyprexa might cancel out the benefits of Mirapex but they seem to work well together for me. I take the Zyprexa for obsessive ruminating thoughts that led to suicide attempts. Try these links for Mirapex info:
xxx
http://www.parkinson.org/mxdepress.htm
> ChrisK,
>
> Thanks for your reply. Could you please give me some more info about Mirapex (e.g., generic name) as I'd like to see if it's available in South Africa. Also, Why are you taking the Zyprexa? Would it not counter any dopaminergic effects from the Mirapex?
>
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