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Posted by Logical Mind on December 13, 2000, at 9:19:54
PEOPLE! We need to get our friends and family OFF these garbage drugs that are being pushed on to us all by society!!!
Psychologists LOVE to make us all think we are down and depressed - be we arent! We just need attention and communication - and by the way, isnt that what those "doctors" provide?
They are addictive doctors who thrive on us all thinking we are screwed up and we arent. They get massive kickbacks from pushing those drugs on you and they make fortunes in office visits. Break away from them any you'll thank me 10-fold. So will your family, friends and brain.
I did it, my friends have done it.. YOU can do it! Slowly we'll show them we arent a country of screwups and we'll destroy the notion that thinking or acting differently ISNT WRONG! Its what makes the world go round! Instead of going to that 'doctor' as you do, quit it and begin going to church. Its free, its wonderful and you'll realize how theraputic it is in no time at all! First visit!!!
Stop allowing this world to make us one-sex, one-color, one-religion, one-though process... We need diverisity and we need to respect the differences amongst us!
Once you leave the addiction of your 'doctor' you'll feel a freedom you've never felt before. You will have empowered yourself beyond belief and your memory problems will return, your old self will return and all of your friends and family will WELCOME YOU BACK. Dont believe the commercials and dont believe the ads.. Drug-free / 'doctor' free is the way to go! The best psychologist is the one inside of you. And he doesnt charge an arm and a leg!
Do it, and welcome yourself back!
- A BELIEVER!
Posted by Bob on December 13, 2000, at 9:39:56
In reply to GET OFF THE GARBAGE, posted by Logical Mind on December 13, 2000, at 9:19:54
> PEOPLE! We need to get our friends and family OFF these garbage drugs that are being pushed on to us all by society!!!
>
> Psychologists LOVE to make us all think we are down and depressed - be we arent! We just need attention and communication - and by the way, isnt that what those "doctors" provide?
>
> They are addictive doctors who thrive on us all thinking we are screwed up and we arent. They get massive kickbacks from pushing those drugs on you and they make fortunes in office visits. Break away from them any you'll thank me 10-fold. So will your family, friends and brain.
>
> I did it, my friends have done it.. YOU can do it! Slowly we'll show them we arent a country of screwups and we'll destroy the notion that thinking or acting differently ISNT WRONG! Its what makes the world go round! Instead of going to that 'doctor' as you do, quit it and begin going to church. Its free, its wonderful and you'll realize how theraputic it is in no time at all! First visit!!!
>
> Stop allowing this world to make us one-sex, one-color, one-religion, one-though process... We need diverisity and we need to respect the differences amongst us!
>
> Once you leave the addiction of your 'doctor' you'll feel a freedom you've never felt before. You will have empowered yourself beyond belief and your memory problems will return, your old self will return and all of your friends and family will WELCOME YOU BACK. Dont believe the commercials and dont believe the ads.. Drug-free / 'doctor' free is the way to go! The best psychologist is the one inside of you. And he doesnt charge an arm and a leg!
>
> Do it, and welcome yourself back!
>
> - A BELIEVER!
Would you say that severe schizophrenics suffer from a "doctor addiction"? What about people who have constant and incessant suicidal thoughts, or paralyzing anxiety?
Posted by Noa on December 13, 2000, at 11:22:19
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE, posted by Bob on December 13, 2000, at 9:39:56
Bob B. from NY---is that you?
Posted by Bob on December 13, 2000, at 11:59:26
In reply to Re: Bob, is that you? » Bob, posted by Noa on December 13, 2000, at 11:22:19
> Bob B. from NY---is that you?
I think you've got the wrong Bob.
Posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 15:05:07
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE, posted by Bob on December 13, 2000, at 9:39:56
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> Would you say that severe schizophrenics suffer from a "doctor addiction"?No they suffer from low EPA due to western diet.
Why is no-one aware of a breakthrough treatment that has will restrict the interests of institutions ?
Read thread New pyschiatric medications soon / no side effectsWhat about people who have constant and incessant suicidal thoughts, or paralyzing anxiety?
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The brain is 60% fat. I did'nt know that. All our brains are ill. The Eskimos and Japansese know a good thing it appears.
Sick brains have Low EPA. Its now a fact. Lets start looking to Eastern Culture for health tips people.
Come on Dr Bob why have you no links to EPA breakthroughs. How can we consider you a doctor when you have no links to the most important medical breakthrough this century ?
Posted by mr. man on December 13, 2000, at 15:44:32
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE GET ON THE EPA, posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 15:05:07
can you explain more what your talking about, 60% fat in brain? what does that matter? what is EPA? what do they eat in the east that we should be eating?
Posted by stjames on December 13, 2000, at 15:52:25
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE GET ON THE EPA, posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 15:05:07
> >
> The brain is 60% fat. I did'nt know that. All our brains are ill. The Eskimos and Japansese know a good thing it appears.
> Sick brains have Low EPA. Its now a fact. Lets start looking to Eastern Culture for health tips people.
> Come on Dr Bob why have you no links to EPA breakthroughs. How can we consider you a doctor when you have no links to the most important medical breakthrough this century ?James here.....
Mental illness is well distributed amoung all of the worlds populations. EPA is not a blanket cure all as in cultures with a diet high in EPA/EFA's mental illness still exists. I don't doubt that EPA/EFA's will help some. However I question the claim of "no side effects" as everything has side effects.
Show me a study that finds no mental illness in Eskimos and Japansese.
james
Posted by dj on December 13, 2000, at 16:15:46
In reply to Re: Bob, is that you?, posted by Bob on December 13, 2000, at 11:59:26
> > Bob B. from NY---is that you?
>
> I think you've got the wrong Bob.
Too bad. Bob B. (aka Bob not Dr.) is a very interesting guy and always had lots of insightful comentary...
Posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 16:28:42
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE GET ON THE EPA, posted by mr. man on December 13, 2000, at 15:44:32
60% of the dry weight of the brain is fat. the fat in the brain comes for the most part in the form of a very special group of fats known as the phospholipids (Horrobin DF).
Phospholipids are absolutely vital for the smooth running of almost all of the brain's functionsFor years, scientists had wondered why Greenland Eskimos had such a low incidence of heart disease, despite a diet of seal blubber and other high-fat foods. Studies eventually revealed the reason: They eat a lot of fish rich in compounds called omega-3 fatty acids, a "good" fat with cardioprotective effects. Now, compelling new evidence suggests these fish oils may be providing another benefit as well-keeping the Eskimos "even keeled" and happy.
Some researchers are now beginning to think that depression may in many people be a physical illness, a disorder of biochemistry, which happens to affect the brain. We do not yet have a definite answer but some impressive findings are accumulating. The most interesting are studies in which people's psychological health has been evaluated at a stage in their lives when they are physically healthy. Then, years later, the physical health of those who, years before, were depressed or not depressed has been compared.
All the studies are consistent and four are particularly impressive. If people are depressed, but apparently physically healthy, 10, 20 or 30 years later they have a greatly increased risk of having a heart attack. (3-7). The effect is so large and the different studies are so consistent across countries in Europe and the USA and Canada that there is no real possibility of this being a chance finding. Depression often comes before a heart attack by many years.The results indicate something major is happening. So many research strands, from so many different directions, are now coming to the same conclusions that major progress is inevitable. EPA, a natural substance within the human body, may prove a major advance not only in the treatment of different types of depression, but also in those medical illnesses which are related to it.
Dr Joseph Hibbeln, of the NIAAA for example, has argued that the deficits in Omega-3 fatty acids may actually be causing the depression and the immunological problems (1). This may be partly due to changes in the diet in industrialised countries where intakes of Omega-3 fatty acids have fallen while those of Omega-6 fatty acids and of saturated fatty acids have steadily increased. These dietary effects may be much greater in people with some types of genetic make-up than in others. As a result many people may eat modern diets without experiencing any problems, whereas others may be susceptible to the adverse effects of the diets.Two Danish researchers', O and E Christensen, analyzed the results from the perspective of the dietary habits of the different countries. They discovered that the quantity and type of fat being consumed differed between the countries. Further analysis lead to the discovery that the higher the intake of saturated (hard) fat the worse was the outcome of schizophrenia. The higher the intake of fish and vegetable fat the better was the outcome.
Posted by Adam on December 13, 2000, at 16:49:34
In reply to GET OFF THE GARBAGE, posted by Logical Mind on December 13, 2000, at 9:19:54
Hmm. Well, as they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
I think its certainly quite reasonable to advise those who might be better served by drug-free remedies to pursue them. And perhaps there is some indeterminate number of "Dr. Feelgood" types who prescribe drugs too liberally. I imagine their prevalence is overstated, though, and to accuse all psychiatrists of abusive behavior (even with the best of intentions) is far too categorical.
There is ample scientific and testimonial evidence that, contrary to your assertion that psychatric medicine pushes "garbage", it provides real benefit to many people with a variety of debilitating illnesses. I can with complete confidence say that neither I nor any of my family and friends who knew of my disorder want my "old self" back.
Quite the contrary, my successful treatment and relief from a disease that, despite growing support and real concern among friends and loved ones, led me to be hospitalized is regarded by those who knew of my struggle as "a godsend". I (perhaps paradoxically to one of prosaic or strident views on this subject) even feel my psychiatric treatment may have done me as much harm as good during various phases of my illness; I truly feel that speaks to the need for improvements in psychiatry, such as more accurate and informative diagnostics, rather than abandonment of an increasingly helpful branch of medicine. My improvement was as dramatic as my depression was severe, once the right remedy was found, and caused no less than the conversion of some highly skeptical individuals in my life to realistic confidence in psychiatry's benefits, where before there was suspicion.
I would take testimony such as this to heart, if I were you, if you truly wish to help people. The route to recovery for the mentally ill is best navigated with the aid of multiple strategies and resources. Faith, family, society, therapy, these all can be invaluable sources of help, but sometimes even they are not enough. I think, perhaps, an unfortunate side effect of your assertions is that those who are not adequately helped by the above develop a deep sense of shame and failure when they do not succeed. It isn't always a question of persistance and love. Many who are depressed have those in abundance. It really can boil down to chemicals sometimes, and for a physiological and biochemical problem, medical treatments aimed at ameliorating them are as appropriate as a cast for a broken leg.
I hope you find this helpful.
Adam
> PEOPLE! We need to get our friends and family OFF these garbage drugs that are being pushed on to us all by society!!!
>
> Psychologists LOVE to make us all think we are down and depressed - be we arent! We just need attention and communication - and by the way, isnt that what those "doctors" provide?
>
> They are addictive doctors who thrive on us all thinking we are screwed up and we arent. They get massive kickbacks from pushing those drugs on you and they make fortunes in office visits. Break away from them any you'll thank me 10-fold. So will your family, friends and brain.
>
> I did it, my friends have done it.. YOU can do it! Slowly we'll show them we arent a country of screwups and we'll destroy the notion that thinking or acting differently ISNT WRONG! Its what makes the world go round! Instead of going to that 'doctor' as you do, quit it and begin going to church. Its free, its wonderful and you'll realize how theraputic it is in no time at all! First visit!!!
>
> Stop allowing this world to make us one-sex, one-color, one-religion, one-though process... We need diverisity and we need to respect the differences amongst us!
>
> Once you leave the addiction of your 'doctor' you'll feel a freedom you've never felt before. You will have empowered yourself beyond belief and your memory problems will return, your old self will return and all of your friends and family will WELCOME YOU BACK. Dont believe the commercials and dont believe the ads.. Drug-free / 'doctor' free is the way to go! The best psychologist is the one inside of you. And he doesnt charge an arm and a leg!
>
> Do it, and welcome yourself back!
>
> - A BELIEVER!
Posted by stjames on December 13, 2000, at 17:04:06
In reply to Re: What do you make of this lot ?, posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 16:28:42
This is all well and good, the cardioprotective
effects of EFA's are well known. It seems you are
saying all mental illness comes from lack of EFA's. Prove that.james
Posted by allisonm on December 13, 2000, at 18:29:37
In reply to GET OFF THE GARBAGE, posted by Logical Mind on December 13, 2000, at 9:19:54
< < Instead of going to that 'doctor' as you do, quit it and begin going to church...
Stop allowing this world to make us one-sex, one-color, one-religion, one-though process... We need diverisity and we need to respect the differences amongst us! > >Would that you would follow your own advice and respect mine.
< < Dont believe the commercials and dont believe the ads.. > >
I don't watch TV. I haven't seen the commercials, or the ads for that matter. However, I do listen to and believe my body, which tells me that where I am now is infinitely better than where I was before, and that if I stayed where I was before for much longer, not only would I not be where I am now, I would not be at all.
< < The best psychologist is the one inside of you. And he doesnt charge an arm and a leg! > >
Excellent point. I have great faith in the psychologist inside of me because she has my best interests at heart. For this reason she has made a referral to my current psychiatrist.
Posted by Devlin on December 13, 2000, at 20:13:00
In reply to Re: What do you make of this lot ?, posted by stjames on December 13, 2000, at 17:04:06
> This is all well and good, the cardioprotective
> effects of EFA's are well known. It seems you are
> saying all mental illness comes from lack of EFA's. Prove that.
>
OK I can't but research is just too promising to ignore. The EPA capsules are cheap and cause indigestion at most. Relief comes 1-4 weeks.The fatty acids in fish oils are promising to unlock understanding of brain development. Depressive, Schizophric and BP conditions are manifestations of Neural structure disorder. Not all mental illness has the same cause but it appears they may be related in ways we had not considered. Also when we try to adjust Neurotransmission with AD's the brain is strained yet again (and its already having development problems as it is.) The majority of patients from the complete disorder spectrum respond to fatty acid treatments. I reckon this is the healthy way to go. Here is a case of one patient whose brain restructured itself after EPA treatment.
PATIENT WHO RESPONDED TO EPA
In the poster session Drs. Alex Richardson and Basant Puri presented long-term follow-up findings on their patient with schizophrenia whose case was first reported in Archives of General Psychiatry (2-4). This young man had been seriously ill and unmedicated for 12 years following a violent adverse reaction to an antipsychotic drug. Kirunal alone caused a near complete resolution of his symptoms. This patient has now been followed up for three and a half years and continues to be well while taking EPA alone without any other antipsychotic agent (3,4). His blood fatty acids have returned to normal. Most importantly his brain magnetic resonance imaging scans also indicate a restructuring in a favourable direction. Some patients with schizophrenia show slowly progressive enlargement of the ventricles, the fluid-filled spaces in the middle of the brain. This probably means that brain tissue is being slowly lost. Prior to being treated with EPA, brain scans showed a progressive ventricular expansion in this patient, whereas on Kirunal the ventricular expansion was reversed.
This published this month
Human requirement for N-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids.Simopoulos AP
The Center for Genetics Nutrition and Health, Washington, DC 20009, USA. cgnh@bellatlantic.net
[Medline record in process]
The diet of our ancestors was less dense in calories, being higher in fiber, rich in fruits, vegetables, lean meat, and fish. As a result, the diet was lower in total fat and saturated fat, but contained equal amounts of n-6 and n-3 essential fatty acids. Linoleic acid (LA) is the major n-6 fatty acid, and alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is the major n-3 fatty acid. In the body, LA is metabolized to arachidonic acid (AA), and ALA is metabolized to eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). The ratio of n-6 to n-3 essential fatty acids was 1 to 2:1 with higher levels of the longer-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA), such as EPA, DHA, and AA, than today's diet. Today this ratio is about 10 to 1:20 to 25 to 1, indicating that Western diets are deficient in n-3 fatty acids compared with the diet on which humans evolved and their genetic patterns were established. The n-3 and n-6 EPA are not interconvertible in the human body and are important components of practically all cell membranes. The N-6 and n-3 fatty acids influence eicosanoid metabolism, gene expression, and intercellular cell-to-cell communication. The PUFA composition of cell membranes is, to a great extent, dependent on dietary intake. Therefore, appropriate amounts of dietary n-6 and n-3 fatty acids need to be considered in making dietary recommendations. These two classes of PUFA should be distinguished because they are metabolically and functionally distinct and have opposing physiological functions; their balance is important for homeostasis and normal development. Studies with nonhuman primates and human newborns indicate that DHA is essential for the normal functional development of the retina and brain, particularly in premature infants. A balanced n-6/n-3 ratio in the diet is essential for normal growth and development and should lead to decreases in cardiovascular disease and other chronic diseases and improve mental health. Although a recommended dietary allowance for essential fatty acids does not exist, an adequate intake (AI) has been estimated for n-6 and n-3 essential fatty acids by an international scientific working group. For Western societies, it will be necessary to decrease the intake of n-6 fatty acids and increase the intake of n-3 fatty acids. The food industry is already taking steps to return n-3 essential fatty acids to the food supply by enriching various foods with n-3 fatty acids. To obtain the recommended AI, it will be necessary to consider the issues involved in enriching the food supply with n-3 PUFA in terms of dosage, safety, and sources of n-3 fatty acids.
I hate being right so A contradicting paper.
Short-term supplementation of low-dose gamma -linolenic acid (GLA), alpha -linolenic acid (ALA), or GLA plus ALA does not augment LCP omega 3 status of Dutch vegans to an appreciable extent.Fokkema MR, Brouwer DA, Hasperhoven MB, Martini IA, Muskiet FA
Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Groningen University Hospital, Groningen, The Netherlands
Its amazing that these Biology headers from last two years tracking fatty acids and Neurodevelopment did'nt cross reference with the Psychiatric research. I thought the internet was made for Scientists. Oh well........The expression pattern of a novel gene encoding brain-fatty acid binding protein correlates with neuronal and glial cell development
Andreas Kurtz, Andreas Zimmer, Frank Schnütgen, Gerold Brüning, Friedrich Spener and Thomas MüllerRole of GGF/neuregulin signaling in interactions between migrating neurons and radial glia in the developing cerebral cortex
E. S. Anton, M. A. Marchionni, K-F. Lee and P. Rakic
Section of Neurobiology, Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut 06510-8001, USA
Differentiating neurons activate transcription of the brain lipid-binding protein gene in radial glia through a novel regulatory element
Lei Feng and Nathaniel Heintz
Effects of GGF/neuregulins on neuronal survival and neurite outgrowth correlate with erbB2/neu expression in developing rat retina
Olivia Bermingham-McDonogh, Kathryn L. McCabe and Thomas A. Reh
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 14, 2000, at 0:16:15
In reply to Re: What do you make of this lot ?, posted by stjames on December 13, 2000, at 17:04:06
> PEOPLE! We need to get our friends and family OFF these garbage drugs that are being pushed on to us all by society!!!
>
> They are addictive doctors who thrive on us all thinking we are screwed up and we arent. They get massive kickbacks from pushing those drugs on you and they make fortunes in office visits.Gross oversimplifications are neither supportive nor educational. Please cease and desist.
> Come on Dr Bob why have you no links to EPA breakthroughs. How can we consider you a doctor when you have no links to the most important medical breakthrough this century ?
Weren't you blocked?
Any follow-ups regarding blocking should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. Thanks.
Bob
Posted by JahL on December 29, 2000, at 17:49:29
In reply to Re: GET OFF THE GARBAGE » Logical Mind, posted by allisonm on December 13, 2000, at 18:29:37
> Excellent point. I have great faith in the psychologist inside of me because she has my best interests at heart. For this reason she has made a referral to my current psychiatrist.
Nice one,
Jah.
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