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Posted by shar on September 14, 2006, at 17:00:21
It's a very interesting phenomenon. Where one hopes, prays, hopes, prays...for months and months...and sometimes even wishes. But, nothing comes to fruition.
I guess that's how it goes. The one thing I hate the MOST is that Spark of Hope. It totally sucks, and I hate it. I have 3 good things in my life, and everything else is sh*t. The three are: My WP, Shadow, Goblet...oh, I forgot Finn McCoole who we found under our house at 2 weeks old. But, he hates me, and is a cat, and I don't relate to cats that well. I pet him on the head, but I can't pick him up or anything because he slices me up.
Anyhow, I've concluded it's all random. What will be, will be. Or, as Doris Day sang, "Que sera, sera, whatever will be will be..."
So, I'm just going along at this point. Just call me Doris.
S
Posted by finelinebob on September 15, 2006, at 1:39:35
In reply to The Spiral Downward, posted by shar on September 14, 2006, at 17:00:21
Did you know that the spiral goes one direction in the northern hemisphere but the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere? Can't remember which is clockwise, tho.
I can empathise. I hate Hope. People think warm fuzzy things when they hear about Pandora's Box and find that Hope was all that was left. I think Hope was just lying in wait, all crafty-like, for someone desperate enough to need Hope to protect them from something let out earlier. And then Hope would get it's fangs into you when you reached for it.
Posted by shar on September 15, 2006, at 13:54:24
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by finelinebob on September 15, 2006, at 1:39:35
FLB--
I like the way you think!
SP.S. I know the U.S. is clockwise and think Australia is counter-clockwise.
Posted by finelinebob on September 15, 2006, at 21:45:07
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by shar on September 15, 2006, at 13:54:24
> FLB--
> I like the way you think!
> SWell, here's a little more: Hope is a lie and a cheat. My T thinks everyone needs SOME hope in their life, but I think it's one of the genetic defects that without the support of civilization to allow such genetic malfeasances to proliferate would have died out long ago. It's pernicious, because it always finds a crack to sneak back in.
I prefer doing to hoping.
If only I could start doing....
Posted by shar on September 16, 2006, at 1:26:07
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by finelinebob on September 15, 2006, at 21:45:07
Hmmm, I wonder if that was why I was railing against the Great God Almighty last night.
I DO like the way you think. Is it all random?
I'm having a BIG problem DOing.
S
Posted by finelinebob on September 16, 2006, at 23:11:46
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by shar on September 16, 2006, at 1:26:07
> Hmmm, I wonder if that was why I was railing against the Great God Almighty last night.
I tend to rail against those who would put G-d in such an untenable position. Not you personally, but those who teach us to do so. If G-d gave us free will, then there is no "Plan". If G-d were to step in to intercede on the slightest issue for the most insignificant of us (if there is such a person), that would irrevocably destroy free will. If G-d is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient and infinitely loving (the last part being the only one I believe) then given humanity free will has created a cage for G-d, it's bars made of infinite sorrow. So when someone or some group of people do evil towards others, G-d is the one for whom I feel the most compassion. If G-d is all those "omni's" as well, how much stronger that cage must be.
Well, enough of this before we get a 2000 post redirected to the religion board.
It would be nice to know that no post on 2000 would get redirected to another board unless we old-timers intentionally brought in specific young-whippernsnappers as topics without their ability to respond. Topics? No redirect. Going beyond our cohort? Redirectable.
> I DO like the way you think. Is it all random?I don't know Chaos Theory. I do know the fundamental tenets of applying probablistic formulae to modeling human behavior. The implication is that without a specific question to ask, then we cannot separate the random from the non-random. Even then, if we cannot find non-randomness, then the question is invalid, inapplicable. Perhaps it means that without a question to ask, it **is** all random.
Turn it on it's head, tho, and you get that the purposeful behavior of a large enough sample, preferably the entire population of humanity gives the verisimilitude of randomness ... but is in essence non-random. The behavior of large enough groups is in no way indicative of the behavior of an individual, only the behavior of the group. We have randomness introduced into our lives all the time from extra-psychological/social/cultural events -- one person, perhaps on a randomly drawn set of numbers chosen by a "quick pick", won 185 million dollars yesterday due to a (possibly second) random pick of numbers.
The fluttering of a butterfly's wings in China may eventually result in a hurricane in the Carribean, and Chaos Theory may explain a chain effect of individually random events that produce a causal relationship between the two ends. But the actions of people are purposeful. The waves of response they produce are causal from the first ripple of the wave, purpose upon purpose. We send the end result that may be an action with roots in multiple purposes, but we cannot see beyond the action, or maybe only to one original purpose.
So when you think it's all random, remember O'Shaughnessey:
"We are the music makers,
And we are the dreamer of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems."
> I'm having a BIG problem DOing.Yeah, navel gazing and babbling have occupied my own time far too much lately. But now that my crisis has passed with a big fizzle, I imagine I'll be wandering off for a while again.
I hope 2000's still here when I need it again.
flb
Posted by Shar on September 17, 2006, at 6:19:03
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by finelinebob on September 16, 2006, at 23:11:46
flb--
I'm happy your crisis has passed, but sorry to see you go.I, too, hope 2000 is here if you need it again.
S
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2006, at 8:41:23
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by finelinebob on September 16, 2006, at 23:11:46
> It would be nice to know that no post on 2000 would get redirected to another board
I think I'm OK with that.
> unless we old-timers intentionally brought in specific young-whippernsnappers as topics without their ability to respond.
Even then, they could respond, they'd just need to redirect their reponses...
Bob
Posted by Shar on September 19, 2006, at 3:13:48
In reply to Re: posts on 2000 getting redirected, posted by Dr. Bob on September 18, 2006, at 8:41:23
Dr. B--Our champion!!
TY-Shar
Posted by finelinebob on September 7, 2007, at 10:06:19
In reply to Re: The Spiral Downward, posted by Shar on September 17, 2006, at 6:19:03
> flb--
> I'm happy your crisis has passed, but sorry to see you go.
>
> I, too, hope 2000 is here if you need it again.
> SI'm back. It's here. And all is fine in the world (or so I've been told).
flb
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