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Posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 16:19:10
In reply to your son » judy1, posted by NikkiT2 on September 10, 2003, at 12:12:15
It is awful, it's all I think about. But I did make an appt. with a therapist on Saturday for him, I'm hoping at this age maybe CBT can take the place of meds. It sounds like this is a common age for symptoms to start and you're right getting help as a child probably will prevent the mess a lot of us went through growing up. I'll pass along the hug :-).
take care, judy
Posted by shar on September 10, 2003, at 23:59:31
In reply to thank you » NikkiT2, posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 16:19:10
I'm with Nikki all the way on this one! Who knows, even usns might approach being normals had we had earlier intervention (and no abuse).
He is lucky to have you as a mom, so do not be hard on yourself about it. Genes, you can't help; the other stuff sounds like you're doing just right.
Shar
Posted by shar on September 11, 2003, at 0:03:30
In reply to Greg- how are you?, posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 10:59:11
Hmmm, it's a little bit like when you're a parent and you're just reading or something, and you realize your two kids are quiet. Too quiet. Usually, they have found something terribly interesting (messy, forbidden, irrestible) to get into that creates a huge mess taking hours to clean up.
However, with Greg, it's a little more worrisome. How about a word or two, Greg?
xoxo
YIC
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 11, 2003, at 7:56:04
In reply to thank you » NikkiT2, posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 16:19:10
CBT was totally wonderful for my anxiety / social phobia.. OK< so I'm not 100%, but have gone from 5% to 95% which is amazing in my books.
I think you're a wonderful mum.
Nikki xx
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 11, 2003, at 7:58:40
In reply to When Greg gets quiet....., posted by shar on September 11, 2003, at 0:03:30
Posted by judy1 on September 11, 2003, at 11:45:41
In reply to Re: thank you » judy1, posted by NikkiT2 on September 11, 2003, at 7:56:04
Posted by Greg on September 12, 2003, at 11:40:50
In reply to Greg- how are you?, posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 10:59:11
I'm here and I'm really not doing very well. I'm scaring myself and my wife. Beyond that gang, I really don't know what to say.
Thank you for thinking about me. I do love all of you...really.
Posted by tina on September 12, 2003, at 15:56:14
In reply to Hi, posted by Greg on September 12, 2003, at 11:40:50
Well, that doesn't sound good at all. I understand though, you know I do.
thank you for posting though hun. It's just good to see your name and know you're still there.
love you
boops
Posted by judy1 on September 12, 2003, at 16:57:18
In reply to Hi, posted by Greg on September 12, 2003, at 11:40:50
I'm so sorry Greg, are you seeing your therapist a lot now for support? Would it help to take some time in the hospital? You don't have to answer, I'm just glad you took the time to post. My thoughts and prayers are with you- judy
Posted by noa on September 13, 2003, at 12:45:56
In reply to Hi, posted by Greg on September 12, 2003, at 11:40:50
Greg, Thanks for popping in to answer---it sounds like you're not up to posting much with how bad you're feeling right now.
Are you getting the treatment you need for this crisis? Sometimes we have relapses and need stepped up treatment for a while. I don't know what kind of care you are getting, but I really hope it's good and comprehensive, and giving you the structure and support you need right now.
I've had a bunch of relapse crises and I know that while I'm in them it seems totally impossible that I will get out. But here I am. I did get out and I beleive you will too. But while in them, I did need stepped up treatment to give me more structure and support, so I could let go a little and rely on others to help me get through it and to help me just focus on taking care of myself day to day and to not focus so much on those big questions and worries that go with depression where inevitably the conclusions I would draw would be horribly negative and hopeless.
I know how much you love your family and how much they adore you. And how many friends you must have who all care about you so much. We are all praying for you. I have always seen you as someone with a truly good life--not a perfect life, and certainly not free of hard stuff. But a really good life because of who you are, your warmth, your wit, your dedication to your family, the relationships you have......
I can't offer to meet you for lunch as you so generously offered Racer, but consider yourself virtually hugged, consider your hand virtually held across the distance.
Posted by noa on September 13, 2003, at 12:47:10
In reply to Greg- how are you?, posted by judy1 on September 10, 2003, at 10:59:11
You said he is 12 y.o. and his anxiety is mostly related to school---by any chance, did he start middle school this year?
Posted by Greg on September 13, 2003, at 12:49:59
In reply to Re: Hi » Greg, posted by judy1 on September 12, 2003, at 16:57:18
I wish I could take some time in the hospital, I need some time away to focus on me and what I need to do. But with finances being a large part of what's happening to me now, there's just no way that can happen. I've never in my life felt so hopeless and helpless. I've always felt like I've had at least a modicum of control, and I don't even have that. And yes Boops, I know that you know what I'm feeling. I've never had to explain myself to you or Shar, or the others here, and that's been a comfort to me.
Noa, you took so much time to respond in a thread above this one. It was so well thought out, made so much sense. I found myself wishing that you were my therapist :) I read it over and over, and I just didn't know what to say. And you know me, I'm rarely at a loss for words. I don't make sense very often, but I can always find something to say. So I guess what I'm saying is thank you for taking the time, and caring so much to write what you did, and forgive me for not having the decency to respond.
I guess all I can do is keep plugging along until something gives one way or the other. I'm just so tired.
Love,
Greg
Posted by judy1 on September 14, 2003, at 11:46:27
In reply to Re: Judy, your son » judy1, posted by noa on September 13, 2003, at 12:47:10
yes he did start middle school (after 2 years of home schooling) so I think that's a big adjustment too. do you thinks this is all normal angst?
thanks, judy
Posted by judy1 on September 14, 2003, at 11:54:09
In reply to Re: Hi - Tina, Judy, and Noa...All, posted by Greg on September 13, 2003, at 12:49:59
Dear Greg,
I just ache for you- it's so difficult to do anything when your mind rebels and you feel so tired. I have to assume you have no disability benefits? How about state disbility (short-term) or is that not enough money? Can your wife call your creditors and try to get extensions (it does work, I've done it numerous times) so you don't feel so burdened? I guess I'm really pushing for you to get some rest in the hospital, it can work miracles for people who feel overwhelmed and depressed, and I'm just trying to think of ways to accomplish that. The most critical thing here is for you to get well, everything else will flow after that.
please take care, judy
Posted by shar on September 14, 2003, at 15:36:33
In reply to Re: Hi - Tina, Judy, and Noa...All, posted by Greg on September 13, 2003, at 12:49:59
You're right on about what Noa wrote. I'm sorry too that you're not feeling in good shape, and I hate being tired (you and me, both). As long as you're up for making the decision every morning to live through the entire 24 hours, just stick with that. To me, that's the hard decision.
Love you bunches, and wish I was able to make it go away....
xoxo
YIC
Posted by NikkiT2 on September 14, 2003, at 16:29:53
In reply to Hi, posted by Greg on September 12, 2003, at 11:40:50
*gives you huge great hugs*
Sweetie.. is there anything we can do to try and help you??? I so wish there was...
I hate being so darned far away
Nikki xx
Posted by Greg on September 15, 2003, at 15:28:40
In reply to When Greg gets quiet....., posted by shar on September 11, 2003, at 0:03:30
I just really read this for the first time and two words came to mind...bite me.
But I still love you.
> Hmmm, it's a little bit like when you're a parent and you're just reading or something, and you realize your two kids are quiet. Too quiet. Usually, they have found something terribly interesting (messy, forbidden, irrestible) to get into that creates a huge mess taking hours to clean up.
>
> However, with Greg, it's a little more worrisome. How about a word or two, Greg?
>
> xoxo
> YIC
Posted by Greg on September 15, 2003, at 15:34:15
In reply to Re: Hi » Greg, posted by NikkiT2 on September 14, 2003, at 16:29:53
I love getting hugs from you, you know that don't you?
Baby, there's not damned thing you or anybody can do but me, and I'm not sure I can see this one thru. I'm trying though. Remember you'll always be my British Babe, OK?
Sometimes I'm glad when people can't see me cry...
Love you Nik
Posted by noa on September 15, 2003, at 19:40:20
In reply to Re: Judy, your son » noa, posted by judy1 on September 14, 2003, at 11:46:27
Yeah, I just think starting middle school is very anxiety provoking for many kids (I'm sure folks here remember this) but if it is also after 2 years of home schooling that is a huge adjustment to make, so don't go concluding that he has a true anxiety disorder just yet--it could just be a 'normal' reaction to a lot of situational stress, don't ya think? So he might just need some extra support is all.
I think middle school is hard because of so many reasons. My niece just started middle school. There's the adjustment to so many different teachers, to having to be more responsible and organized because you don't have a main homeroom teacher watching over you anymore, of having to juggle different assignments from different teachers at the same time, etc. and then there's the peer stuff, of course--who to sit with at lunch, etc. etc.
I think a therapist can help him with the adjustment. Maybe you should also get to know his guidance counselor or other staff that you think could be an advocate for him at school.
And maybe there is a school club he might like to join?
Posted by judy1 on September 15, 2003, at 21:28:00
In reply to Re: Judy, your son » judy1, posted by noa on September 15, 2003, at 19:40:20
Yes I can agree that a lot of this is the huge adjustment he had to make between home school and a huge school (to him) where he doesn't know anybody. He did join the football team but hurt his knee after the first game and now has to go to physical therapy which is added stress for him. I guess what worries me is the way he obsesses over things- I can see his anxiety building until it's out of control and it seems to loop in his mind. He has stomach problems every morning (throws up a lot) and has gotten so worked up I was convinced it was a panic attack and gave him .125mg of xamax which worked great. He just started a therapist, the counselor at school is pretty overwhelmed. So a part of me is thinking this is normal pre-teen angst and another part sees symptoms that are very familiar. All I can do is try my best to help and not freak out.
take care, judy
Posted by shar on September 16, 2003, at 10:02:34
In reply to Re: When Greg gets quiet.....Hey Shar...?, posted by Greg on September 15, 2003, at 15:28:40
> ...bite me.
OK, sweetie, if you insist. But...I get to choose the place....
:D
YIC
Posted by Greg on September 16, 2003, at 13:49:20
In reply to Re: When Greg gets quiet.....Hey Shar...? » Greg, posted by shar on September 16, 2003, at 10:02:34
I just laughed for the first time in weeks. Thanks sweetie. For that, you can pick the spot.
But be gentle, I bruise easy.
Love you MIC.
Posted by tina on September 17, 2003, at 17:30:47
In reply to Re: When Greg gets quiet.....Hey Shar...?, posted by Greg on September 15, 2003, at 15:28:40
> I just really read this for the first time and two words came to mind...bite me.
>
and here I thought you reserved that particular phrase for me.... :)
love ya
boops
Posted by shar on September 21, 2003, at 2:30:12
In reply to Re: When Greg gets quiet.....Hey Shar...? » Greg, posted by tina on September 17, 2003, at 17:30:47
T,
I bet we could BOTH find plenty of room on Greg to bite if we put our heads together...8-DShar
> > I just really read this for the first time and two words came to mind...bite me.
> >
> and here I thought you reserved that particular phrase for me.... :)
> love ya
> boops
>
Posted by tina on September 25, 2003, at 15:53:16
In reply to Re: When Greg gets quiet.....Hey Shar...? » tina, posted by shar on September 21, 2003, at 2:30:12
Hey, I am now allowed to entertain thoughts like that ;-)
Hmmm, let's see, where would I bite him???
I think I'd wait til he was eating and bite him in the sandwich.....I'm starving right now!!
thanks for the giggle Shar. I'm feeling pretty crappy today.
luv
tina
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