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Posted by Noa on October 6, 1999, at 22:19:12
In reply to Info on "Mixed state bi-polar"??, posted by DL on October 6, 1999, at 20:59:50
You'll no doubt get some good first hand stuff here. But also, make sure to check out the textbook, Manic Depressive Illness by Goodwin and Jamison-Redfield. I usually read bits of it at Barnes and Noble. It's a big book, full of lots of great info on all aspects of the full spectrum of bipolar disorders. Well written, too.
Posted by DL on October 6, 1999, at 23:10:40
In reply to Re: Info on "Mixed state bi-polar"??, posted by Noa on October 6, 1999, at 22:19:12
make sure to check out the textbook, Manic Depressive Illness by Goodwin and Jamison-Redfield. I usually read bits of it at Barnes and Noble.
THANKS!!! There is a new Barns and Noble that just opened not too far away. Good excuse to go check it out.
Posted by Susan Jane on October 7, 1999, at 1:32:40
In reply to Info on "Mixed state bi-polar"??, posted by DL on October 6, 1999, at 20:59:50
Been there once for just over 24 hours. Do _not_ recommend it. I've read several other names for it: aggitated(sp?) depression, suicidal mania, among others. The concept as I understand is a predominant depression or mania infused with a trait from the other side of the mood spectrum. Anyway, my experience was mania with suicide ideation -- very scarey, very vivid thoughts. For me it was triggered by Prozac, so my treatment is to stay away from specific AD meds and work with meds that treat manic-depression. I have been told that rapid cyclers tend to get triggered into mixed states but don't know if this is true.
SusanJane :)
Posted by Susan on October 7, 1999, at 7:30:37
In reply to Re: book, posted by DL on October 6, 1999, at 23:10:40
> make sure to check out the textbook, Manic Depressive Illness by Goodwin and Jamison-Redfield. I usually read bits of it at Barnes and Noble.
>
> THANKS!!! There is a new Barns and Noble that just opened not too far away. Good excuse to go check it out.Even Better--this book is available at public libraries for free and you can take it home, read at leisure, etc. I just had to remember that there are mild states of bi-polar and not to panic over the author's experiences necessarily being mine in the future. I would also like to know if the author's medicine ever pooped out! Anyone know? Or, did her hair fall out, did she gain lots of weight, etc.? Maybe I need to check it out and read it again because it has been a long time. BTW. Collette Dowling has an excellent book that helped me years ago. I'll have to go to the library and get refreshed!
Posted by Noa on October 7, 1999, at 14:29:00
In reply to Re: book, posted by Susan on October 7, 1999, at 7:30:37
Is it at the library? I tend to use B&N as a library lately. Been pretty delinquent in returning public library books, due to disorganization secondary to depression. I like the comfy chairs at B&N and the "being with people without being with people" and reading a small amount without feeling pressure to read more. Only problem...temptation to spend, money I don't have.
Posted by DL on October 7, 1999, at 22:59:10
In reply to Re: book, posted by Noa on October 7, 1999, at 14:29:00
I like the comfy chairs at B&N and the "being with people without being with people"
I went after work tonight. Sat in one of those comfy chairs. It's a big book. Not your run of the mill easy reading! I read some of it. However, it is set up such that looking for "mixed state" sent me all over the book (one place for assesment, one for symptoms, one for tx etc etc). I really either need to read more, or get a focused chunk of info on Mixed States from another source.
Posted by DL on October 9, 1999, at 22:07:30
In reply to Checked out the book, posted by DL on October 7, 1999, at 22:59:10
I am going to list some questions in hopes that some of you with recent knowledge of bi-polar states can help me out.
1. What is the difference between aggitated depression and mixed state bi-polar?
2. If a mood stabilizer is used, and seems to help, does that mean it is bi-polar? Or, can mood stabilizers work to make depression with aggitation better?
3. For those of you who are bi-polar--I know that antidepressants can send you into hypomania/mania, however I am curious about whether other substances that can act as stimulants can make hypomania worse? Can coffee, tea, chocolate in significant amounts increase the wound up feeling? And, has anyone noticed that hormones affect bi-polar status?
4. Any info on different mood stabilizers? ( (e.g. Efficacy, side effects)?
Posted by NANCY on October 11, 1999, at 21:18:48
In reply to Re: book, posted by DL on October 6, 1999, at 23:10:40
GOODWIN AND JAMISON'S book 'Manic-depressive Illness', is an excellent resource. I have one, here, next to my computer (Yes. and I read it too.)
> make sure to check out the textbook, Manic Depressive Illness by Goodwin and Jamison-Redfield. I usually read bits of it at Barnes and Noble.
>
> THANKS!!! There is a new Barns and Noble that just opened not too far away. Good excuse to go check it out.
Posted by nancy on October 11, 1999, at 21:32:24
In reply to Re: Info on "Mixed state bi-polar"??, posted by Susan Jane on October 7, 1999, at 1:32:40
experience was mania with suicide ideation -- very scarey, very vivid thoughts. For me it was triggered by Prozac, so my treatment is to stay away from specific AD meds and work with meds that treat manic-depression. I have been told that rapid cyclers tend to get triggered into mixed states but don't know if this is true.
>
> SusanJane :)In my experience as a very rapid cycler, it's true. I can sneeze and trow my body chemistry out of whack and into a mixed-state! LOL. No, seriously, now. DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH A MIXED-STATE!!! Get in to your pdoc office ASAP. SusanJane is right on it when she says it's very scarey and may trigger suicide impulse. This was what happened to me when the overlying mania cycle into psychosis along with a ten-second rage. These few moments was all it took for me to overdose IMPULSIVELY on Seroquel.
Another thing. My mixed-states are almost always overwhelming with pain; angst, anguish, mental pain. Whatever! Call it what they will, but all I know is you can't miss it when you feel it.
To knock me out of a mixed-state, my doc has had me take atypical antipsychotics (Seroquel worked the best for me...Zeldox or Ziprasidone should be out soon. Zeldox was exceptional at pulling me out of the mixed-state and ultra-rapid cycling!)
Posted by Annie on October 12, 1999, at 17:04:56
In reply to Questions for those with bi-polar knowledge, posted by DL on October 9, 1999, at 22:07:30
I am also looking for information. After many years with a diagnosis of major depression (with some slight variations on the theme), I was just diagnosed as Bipolar with mixed states. I hope this isn't a fad diagnosis like Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) was a few years ago. I was in a out-patient program in 1994 and everyone in the program had an Access 2 diagnosis of BPD! Anyway, for the mixed states,I was put on Neurontin as a mood stabilizer, gradually raising the dose from 900mg to 2000mg per day over the next two weeks. My Pdoc will most likely take it higher rhen. I can't tell you much about the side effects yet except that I am experiencing blurry vision and a slight sedation which are supposed to go away in a few days. I have found some possibly helpful information on the net that may help you.
Annie
P.S. Sorry if there are typing errors but Ican't see well enough right now to proof read.Bipolar Disorders Letter 12/97
http://www.mhsource.com/bipolar/bp9712spectrum.htmlA Broader Definition for Mixed States
http://www.medscape.com/Medscape/CNO/1997/APA/CME-Select/05.21/IS43B.perugi.htmlThe Challenge of Managing Mixed States
http://www.medscape.com/Medscape/CNO/1997/APA/CME-Select/05.21/IS43A.swann.htmlAlso there is a lot of informatpon at Dr Ivan Goldberg's site:
Bipolar Disorder --- Manic-Depression
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.bipolar.html
> I am going to list some questions in hopes that some of you with recent knowledge of bi-polar states can help me out.
>
> 1. What is the difference between aggitated depression and mixed state bi-polar?
>
> 2. If a mood stabilizer is used, and seems to help, does that mean it is bi-polar? Or, can mood stabilizers work to make depression with aggitation better?
>
> 3. For those of you who are bi-polar--I know that antidepressants can send you into hypomania/mania, however I am curious about whether other substances that can act as stimulants can make hypomania worse? Can coffee, tea, chocolate in significant amounts increase the wound up feeling? And, has anyone noticed that hormones affect bi-polar status?
>
> 4. Any info on different mood stabilizers? ( (e.g. Efficacy, side effects)?
Posted by DL on October 16, 1999, at 12:22:23
In reply to Re: Questions for those with bi-polar knowledge, posted by Annie on October 12, 1999, at 17:04:56
After many years with a diagnosis of major depression I was just diagnosed as Bipolar with mixed states. I hope this isn't a fad diagnosis like Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) was a few years ago. Anyway, for the mixed states,I was put on Neurontin as a mood stabilizer, gradually raising the dose from 900mg to 2000mg per day over the next two weeks. I have found some possibly helpful information on the net that may help you.
> AnnieAnnie, thanks for the response!! Keep me updated on the neurontin and how it works for you. The web sites in your post above are great. I spent a lot of time reading them. The doc I see said there is a new book on bipolar disorder by Johns Hopkins. I saw it in the book store yesterday. It's very comprehensive but easy to understand. however, what you are describing and what I am being told about me (mixed state that is more depression with overlying aggitation) does not seem to be covered well anywhere. And there is not much on use of neurontin even though it is a new book. However I didn't read the whole book--just browsed and scanned. This seem to be a different "mixed state" from what the books and other posters are talking about.
Posted by DL on October 16, 1999, at 13:17:05
In reply to Questions for those with bi-polar knowledge, posted by DL on October 9, 1999, at 22:07:30
I tried to post this once before and got an error message so I'll try again. Any help with questions below would be appreciated. After 3 years dx as major depression I have recently seen a new doc who dx me as mixed state bipolar!!! I need some feedback. The mixed states I see described here seem to be different from the overriding depression with constant inner aggitation that I feel. As in Annie's case the above is now being dx as mixed bipolar. Feedback?
Doc is using my reaction to AD's (instant overwhelming aggitation and sleeplessness from very short trials of Paxil, Effexor, Wellbutrin and to a lesser degree to Pamelor-none of which helped with the depression) and terrible postpartum depressions after each birth with the same sleeplessness and aggitation and depression)as a basis for this new dx. I have started taking neurontin but have had to quickly up the dose to maintain the effects--up to 2400mg now. Strange, usually I can only tolerate tiny doses of meds?? When it is working I definitely feel better, but after a few days at a new level it's effects start to decrease.
> I am going to list some questions in hopes that some of you with recent knowledge of bi-polar states can help me out.
>
> 1. What is the difference between aggitated depression and mixed state bi-polar?
>
> 2. If a mood stabilizer is used, and seems to help, does that mean it is bi-polar? Or, can mood stabilizers work to make depression with aggitation better?
>
> 3. For those of you who are bi-polar--I know that antidepressants can send you into hypomania/mania, however I am curious about whether other substances that can act as stimulants can make hypomania worse? Can coffee, tea, chocolate in significant amounts increase the wound up feeling? And, has anyone noticed that hormones affect bi-polar status?
>
> 4. Any info on different mood stabilizers? ( (e.g. Efficacy, side effects)?
Posted by Susan on October 17, 1999, at 6:53:39
In reply to Mixed states????questions??Neurontin???, posted by DL on October 16, 1999, at 13:17:05
DL,
Did your new doc take you off your Remeron before starting the Neurontin? Just curious.
Posted by DL on October 17, 1999, at 13:49:51
In reply to To DL: Still on Remeron?, posted by Susan on October 17, 1999, at 6:53:39
>
> DL,
> Did your new doc take you off your Remeron before starting the Neurontin? Just curious.No. He said since it was the only AD that had been helpful (helps with sleep) he would leave me on it and hope that the neurontin would settle things in me to a level where I could tolerate a higher dose of Remeron. If that doesn't alleviate the depression he would switch to something else. I seem to be able to soak up loads of neurontin without any real side effects. Each time I up the dose I get a glimpse of a pretty nice state, then the effects seem to start to disappear.
Posted by katie on October 17, 1999, at 14:37:46
In reply to Mixed states????questions??Neurontin???, posted by DL on October 16, 1999, at 13:17:05
> >
>
> > I am going to list some questions in hopes that some of you with recent knowledge of bi-polar states can help me out.
> >
> > 1. What is the difference between aggitated depression and mixed state bi-polar?
> >
> > 2. If a mood stabilizer is used, and seems to help, does that mean it is bi-polar? Or, can mood stabilizers work to make depression with aggitation better?
> >
> > 3. For those of you who are bi-polar--I know that antidepressants can send you into hypomania/mania, however I am curious about whether other substances that can act as stimulants can make hypomania worse?Can coffee, tea, chocolate in significant amounts increase the wound up feeling? And, has anyone noticed that hormones affect bi-polar status?
***************a definate "YES" caffeine and cocoa products will hype you up if you have bi-polar illness. If I want to get to sleep by 10pm I cut out coffee by 5pm. It's even better to drop off the caffiene in the afternoon. Depending on what pm drugs you are taking I'm sure this info may vary.
> >
> > 4. Any info on different mood stabilizers? ( (e.g. Efficacy, side effects)?**************Lithium is a good one. I had to reduce and add neurontin because of side effects w/ lithium. He put me on neurontin rather than depakote because of the side effect profile (depakote & weight gain). If I had to choose for myself which mood stabilizer to go with, it would be lithium. Unfortunately I can't use it alone at a maintenance level because of side effects.
**************Sorry I can't be of help with your other questions. Just a little to technical for me.
Posted by DL on October 17, 1999, at 17:31:26
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply, posted by katie on October 17, 1999, at 14:37:46
Katie,
Thanks so much for the response!! The comments really were helpful.All this is new to me and I am wondering if what Annie and I are dealing with is really bipolar? both of us have recently been told we have mixed state bipolar because we continue to have unremitting depression along with agitation/anxiety etc. Both of us are wondering if this is some kind of new trend? I can't find a lot on the above in print. And there is not an awful lot on neurontin.
How would you describe the difference in how lithium and neurontin affect you? I am now on 2400mg of neurontin. My system seems to just soak it up. Don't have side effects--some sedation on first day at 900mg and that's it. But after a day or two on an increased level, the effects seem to disappear and I need to increase again.
Posted by katie on October 18, 1999, at 11:27:26
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply, posted by DL on October 17, 1999, at 17:31:26
> Katie,
> Thanks so much for the response!! The comments really were helpful.
>
> All this is new to me and I am wondering if what Annie and I are dealing with is really bipolar? both of us have recently been told we have mixed state bipolar because we continue to have unremitting depression along with agitation/anxiety etc. Both of us are wondering if this is some kind of new trend? I can't find a lot on the above in print. And there is not an awful lot on neurontin.
>
> How would you describe the difference in how lithium and neurontin affect you? I am now on 2400mg of neurontin. My system seems to just soak it up. Don't have side effects--some sedation on first day at 900mg and that's it. But after a day or two on an increased level, the effects seem to disappear and I need to increase again.
************I guess bi-polar and manic depressive are interchangeable diagnosis. If your one, then your the other. I find it all very confusing. I guess I actually have schizoaffective disorder, which means I take another type of med along with the "manic" meds.I just started taking neurontin and am only on the bare minimum dose of 400mg. He will probably up it next Dr.'s visit. I notice I am a little more aware now compared to when a just took lithium. I don't have that hazy feeling anymore.
Neurontin and lowering the lithium has knocked out my side effects (from lith.) completly. So far I'm happy with the situation. I guess time will tell if my progress continues.
Good luck to you and I hope you get a handle on your Doc's diagnosis. Don't be afraid to ask him pertinent questions that are bothering you. He/she may have "real" answers.
bye------katie
Posted by AMY II on October 22, 1999, at 17:57:32
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply#2, posted by katie on October 18, 1999, at 11:27:26
> > Katie,
> > Thanks so much for the response!! The comments really were helpful.
> >
> > All this is new to me and I am wondering if what Annie and I are dealing with is really bipolar? both of us have recently been told we have mixed state bipolar because we continue to have unremitting depression along with agitation/anxiety etc. Both of us are wondering if this is some kind of new trend? I can't find a lot on the above in print. And there is not an awful lot on neurontin.
> >
> > How would you describe the difference in how lithium and neurontin affect you? I am now on 2400mg of neurontin. My system seems to just soak it up. Don't have side effects--some sedation on first day at 900mg and that's it. But after a day or two on an increased level, the effects seem to disappear and I need to increase again.
>
>
> ************I guess bi-polar and manic depressive are interchangeable diagnosis. If your one, then your the other. I find it all very confusing. I guess I actually have schizoaffective disorder, which means I take another type of med along with the "manic" meds.
> Katie, what is schizoaffective disorder?
> I just started taking neurontin and am only on the bare minimum dose of 400mg. He will probably up it next Dr.'s visit. I notice I am a little more aware now compared to when a just took lithium. I don't have that hazy feeling anymore.
>
> Neurontin and lowering the lithium has knocked out my side effects (from lith.) completly. So far I'm happy with the situation. I guess time will tell if my progress continues.
>
> Good luck to you and I hope you get a handle on your Doc's diagnosis. Don't be afraid to ask him pertinent questions that are bothering you. He/she may have "real" answers.
>
> bye------katie
Posted by LG on October 24, 1999, at 8:49:38
In reply to To DL: Still on Remeron?, posted by Susan on October 17, 1999, at 6:53:39
>
> DL,
> Did your new doc take you off your Remeron before starting the Neurontin? Just curious.
To DL
How much Remeron are you on? I just upped to 45 mgs
and still can't sleep,also on 500neurontin at bed
time.
LG
Posted by JohnL on October 24, 1999, at 9:20:22
In reply to Re: To DL: Still on Remeron?, posted by LG on October 24, 1999, at 8:49:38
>I just upped to 45 mgs
> and still can't sleep,also on 500neurontin at bed
> time.
> LGHi LG. Theoretically Remeron is less sedating at high doses like 45mg or 60mg. I found it pretty sedating at 45mg but also very drugged during the day. I find it much more sedating at 7.5mg or 15mg without the daytime drugged feeling. But if it's helping with your depression, going down that low wouldn't be a good move.
This might sound strange, but it would probably work nicely. Ask your doc about one of the TCAs with a short half-life. All are sedating, but some more than others. I'm not sure which one that would be, but either you or the doc could research that stuff pretty easily on the web. The shortest half-life would avoid daytime sedation as much as possible.
I've never heard of a TCA being combined with Remeron. There's certainly nothing wrong with combining them. Especially if the TCA is added at a small dose just for sleep. It would potentiate the Remeron as well. And they're cheap. While the Remeron stimulates neurotransmitter synthesis, the TCA would provide some reuptake inhibition to boot. This probably is a rare combination because most people are already too sedated on Remeron to begin with. But if it's not doing that to do, adding the right TCA would make sense, even though for nearly all the rest of us Remeron alone is plenty sedating. I admit it sounds like a bizarre combination. But for you, and probably hardly anyone else, it could work well. You seem to have strong tolerance to antidepressant induced sedation. Just something to consider.
Posted by DL on October 24, 1999, at 14:31:55
In reply to Re: To DL: Still on Remeron?, posted by LG on October 24, 1999, at 8:49:38
> To DL
> How much Remeron are you on? I just upped to 45 mgs
> and still can't sleep,also on 500neurontin at bed
> time.
> LG
Hi LG,
I have been taking 30mg at bedtime for quite a while. Usually about an hour after I take it I can go to sleep OK. However, if I drink anything with caffeine or anything stimulating, I will still have trouble sleeping. I am now on 2400mg neurontin taken 4 times a day (2 capsules each time). I am not sedated durng the day. I am not sure if the Neurontin is doing what it is supposed to since I have never taken a mood stabilizer before. I think I am sleeping deeper and less racy and wired inside during the day.
DL
Posted by lg on October 24, 1999, at 15:06:02
In reply to Re: To DL: Still on Remeron?, posted by DL on October 24, 1999, at 14:31:55
Are u getting fat on remeron? I just started it
and don't want to get fatteR.I've heard conflict-
ing and opposite opinions about this.I crave
sweets,but always have.Was told this might get
better on remeron.I am sedated during day but
this helps my anxiety-along with neurontin.I am
not as sedated when I sleep well.I have had many
allergies to most TCA's in the past.That was at
therapeutic doses.Small dose at bedtime might
be worth considering.I must reiterate:I don't
want to Gain Any More Weight. :] :[
btw neurontin helps me in my thinking processes,
even in small doses.Am on therapeutic tegretol.
: ) LG
Now I wonder if sleep will be worse if I up remeron
I thought I had all the receptor effects straight
but I don't.Have good doc,but what's to do in
between visits but worry and study about it and
Try to live a little?! Bye.
Posted by katie on October 24, 1999, at 16:26:24
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply#2, posted by AMY II on October 22, 1999, at 17:57:32
> > > > > > All this is new to me and I am wondering if what Annie and I are dealing with is really bipolar? both of us have recently been told we have mixed state bipolar because we continue to have unremitting depression along with agitation/anxiety etc. Both of us are wondering if this is some kind of new trend? I can't find a lot on the above in print. And there is not an awful lot on neurontin.
> > >
> > > How would you describe the difference in how lithium and neurontin affect you? >
> > Katie, what is schizoaffective disorder?
> > > >
> *************I'm not sure if there is some new "trend" in diagnosis these days, but I know there are anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs out there. There must be some reason why your Dr. has chosen this route of treatment.As far as a difference between neurontin and lithium...hmm, I guess the neurontin is a little more sedating(I still take lithium in a minimal dose)The lithium is an excellent mood stabilizer...that is ...I'm neither too happy or too sad(crying spells,etc...)The neurontin seems to have mood stabilizing qualities as well. It does seem to put a little more of a "damper" on my mood. I'm not withdrawn or anything like that, but if I'm not keeping myself occupied in some activity, I become rather listless. It's real easy to become a "couch potato" on these types of medications. I have to make myself do something.
*********In response to "what is schizoaffective disorder"---I guess it's the medical profession's way of combining two mental illnesses into one term. I'm bi-polar AND have a mild form of schizophrenia. In order to cope with the two illnesses I take mood-stabilizers and a combo at night so that my mind won't get too wound up and stop me from sleeping. Here lately I haven't thought too much about the schizophrenia, because it hasn't been a problem. I was having more trouble w/ side effects of lithium. But I've been doing OK since doc changed some things for me.
I hope this answers some questions for you.
Keep in touch and thanks for the interest.
--------katie
Posted by Loretta on October 27, 1999, at 8:43:58
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply#3, posted by katie on October 24, 1999, at 16:26:24
> > > > > > > All this is new to me and I am wondering if what Annie and I are dealing with is really bipolar? both of us have recently been told we have mixed state bipolar because we continue to have unremitting depression along with agitation/anxiety etc. Both of us are wondering if this is some kind of new trend? I can't find a lot on the above in print. And there is not an awful lot on neurontin.
> > > >
> > > > How would you describe the difference in how lithium and neurontin affect you? >
> > > Katie, what is schizoaffective disorder?
> > > > >
> > *************I'm not sure if there is some new "trend" in diagnosis these days, but I know there are anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs out there. There must be some reason why your Dr. has chosen this route of treatment.
>
> As far as a difference between neurontin and lithium...hmm, I guess the neurontin is a little more sedating(I still take lithium in a minimal dose)The lithium is an excellent mood stabilizer...that is ...I'm neither too happy or too sad(crying spells,etc...)The neurontin seems to have mood stabilizing qualities as well. It does seem to put a little more of a "damper" on my mood. I'm not withdrawn or anything like that, but if I'm not keeping myself occupied in some activity, I become rather listless. It's real easy to become a "couch potato" on these types of medications. I have to make myself do something.
>
> *********In response to "what is schizoaffective disorder"---I guess it's the medical profession's way of combining two mental illnesses into one term. I'm bi-polar AND have a mild form of schizophrenia. In order to cope with the two illnesses I take mood-stabilizers and a combo at night so that my mind won't get too wound up and stop me from sleeping. Here lately I haven't thought too much about the schizophrenia, because it hasn't been a problem. I was having more trouble w/ side effects of lithium. But I've been doing OK since doc changed some things for me.
>
> I hope this answers some questions for you.
> Keep in touch and thanks for the interest.
> --------katie
Greetings,
I was searching the web for info on the question about neuroton and I was wondering if neuroton is prescribe for depression.
My cycles never seem to stop in the last year. I always was told I have bi-polar II but when my Dr fill a disability form it
put down depression as diagnosis. He did not back my disability claim and was really angry about having to fill out the form.
Also is anyone taking 600mg of welbutrin a day? I have had a real problem finding a Dr for my meds.
It seems like I am on an assembly line. Pay your co-pay ,see the Dr for 10 min. then out the door.I take 2400mg of neuronton,
600mg of welbutrin, 20mg of adderall and synthroid but I still have a lot of depression and suicidal thoughts or I am wired.
Every Dr I see has a different opinion about what is wrong with me. I feel like a lab rat. Thanks.
Posted by erin noel on April 8, 2000, at 2:13:41
In reply to Re: Mixed states?questions?Neurontin?reply#3, posted by Loretta on October 27, 1999, at 8:43:58
> > > > > > > >
> >dear katie, thankx for admitting your diagnosis...I believe I'm schizo-affective, I think my doctor believes I'm too frail to hear him diagnose me anything other than bipolar(probably thinks I'm too young (21) to hear anything else earthshattering...but I have a right to know....true, it is tricky, but I'm going crazy (have had about 5 manic episodes in the past year:had to go into treatment all 5/6 times...not a fun or cheap way to spend a year....went off my meds (depakote, zyprexa, klonopin, zoloft) last summer....went back to my doc. in dec. at my wit's end... struggled through the worst depression I would'nt wish on anyone...he put me then on neurontin, wellbutrin, and celexa.....didn't take the meds for one day and had an episode...finally he put me on lithium with neurontin, zyprexa and klonapin....trazadone for sleep due to recent nightmares, would like to go back on the celexa, but don't want to stay on all of it...are the natural remedies ( do you know....kava kava and samE)Helpful?? anyway just needed someone to reach out to ...thanks for your time!....erin
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