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Posted by bulldog2 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:32
In reply to Apologies, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 13:07:20
> Sorry all, as an afterthought, I don't mean to trivialise what has happened to you but I just really wanted to say that I've never had a problem with Phillipa and I think really she should be given the opportunity to speak in her own defense.
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> After re-reading the threads, I agree if you communicate privately with somebody via email then you don't expect your emails to be copied and sent on to somebody else behind your back but perhaps there is an innocent explanation for why this was done and perhaps it was not done in a malicious way.
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> Anyway, I'll shut up now. This really had nothing to do with me, I just felt a bit sorry for Phillipa as I've always found her to be inoffensive and sweet in her own way.
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> DeniseDenise the issue is one of private emails or babblemails sent to her. Info sent to her as a friend with the assumption that info would be kept confidential. Than to find out that info is being sent to others for her amusement. I find that a betrayal of trust. If I post something on the public forum that is one thing. But confidences between friends is an entirely different issue.
To the people above defending her there is a weakness in your arguments. The fact that she has treated you well or not done this to you is not relevant to those she has betrayed.
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:33
In reply to Re: Apologies » Meltingpot, posted by bulldog2 on December 13, 2009, at 13:24:38
I would be angry if I knew someone did this to me also. I was not trying to diminish your outrage.
I'll just say to Phillipa if this is going on to stop it!
I am not implying anyone is lying it is just difficult to know exactly what is really going on and why and what the intent was.
But considering it is coming form several sources I am taking it seriously.
So I'll say it again whether it was done on purpose or not just stop it.
oky
Posted by Meltingpot on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies » Meltingpot, posted by bulldog2 on December 13, 2009, at 13:24:38
Bulldog,
You do have a point, however, I was trying to provide a balanced view. Really this whole thing has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board, apart from yourself and Phillipa and Rocketman but the fact that you chose to publish what happened on Psychobabble makes us all privy to it and therefore I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.
Ideally, if either yourself or Rocketman had a problem with Phillipa's behaviour then you both should have tackled her privately about it rather than posting it on psychobabble for all and sundry to see.
Denise
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies - To Bulldog, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 14:05:47
It had to do with me too. I wonder how many people have had some involvement but not bothered to post it.
I think this is the way we police ourselves. If we were operatingthis site maybe we could just be able to disable anyone we chose from babbling us instead of imploring Bob's authority.
(I know I keep beating what might be a dead horse but I really have deep seated emotional opinions about it.)
Feel free to tell me enough is enough. It might need to be said and I really do not know that.
oky
Posted by bulldog2 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Re: Apologies - To Bulldog, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 14:05:47
> Bulldog,
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> You do have a point, however, I was trying to provide a balanced view. Really this whole thing has nothing to do with me or anyone else on this board, apart from yourself and Phillipa and Rocketman but the fact that you chose to publish what happened on Psychobabble makes us all privy to it and therefore I felt compelled to add my 2 cents.
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> Ideally, if either yourself or Rocketman had a problem with Phillipa's behaviour then you both should have tackled her privately about it rather than posting it on psychobabble for all and sundry to see.
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> DeniseI have tackled this privately with her and so have others. After reading Rocketman's post I felt compelled to write so others would know this was not an isolated incident.I feel others should know about this so they can protect themselves. People have to be aware that personal things that you divulge to her may be sent to others. I think we all have to be more careful about things we make public to those we hardly know.
Denise this is just not Rocketman and me. I have heard from others that this may be far broader than just us two.
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:35
In reply to Apologies, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 13:07:20
Since I was the original poster to this thread, let me say that I, in no way, meant to demean anyone. I received an email from Phillipa that I found to be quite disturbing. It literally caused undue stress to myself which lasted throughout the day.
When I posted my concerns on the Board, I was extremely upset, and frankly, filled with anxiety wondering what would come of my personal information.
If someone has the urge to neurotically post and babble mail to the point of obsession, then I should view it as part of their illness.
I hope we can all learn from this and move forward in a positive manner.Regards,
Rocket
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:37
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by RocketMan on December 13, 2009, at 15:32:16
It was important for me to know it was not an isolated incident. My issue was a different but dealt with personal information.
I am not being mean or not compassionate but no matter if the person has good intentions or not we need to look out for one another.
But I think you stated things much better than I ever could I just wanted my intentions to be clear.oky
Posted by willyeee on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to In Phillipa's defense, posted by Meltingpot on December 13, 2009, at 12:47:42
> Hi,
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> Just to say, I have communicated with Phillipa by babblemail and I have never found her to be harrassing in any way, neither has she ever posted sensitive information to me about other posters.
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> Don't you all think you are being a tad over sensitive and petty here? To be perfectly honest I wouldn't give a damn about anyone sending information about my mental health history or my medical history to anyone else associated with this board, after all I post it on her for all to see anyway.
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> All I'm interested in is getting better and supporting other people (when I can).
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> I can't help but feel there has been some sort of misunderstanding here which has been blown out of all proportion and I don't particularly like the way Phillipa is being branded as some kind of obsessive stalker, when she isn't!
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> Denise
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>Well not to be a trouble maker,but instead simply speak my situation,phillipa has EMAILED me initially and so on,i have answered being a nice person,and she then eith released the conversations of those emails in posts,or used them AGANIST ME in debated posts.
One thing i noticed was whenever i mentioned this,i in seconds had a flur of fellow posters innediatly commming to phillipas aid and attacking me for saying anything about her.
To put it short,phillipa has emialed me on my personal email,emailed me about other posters to which i did not like,and has realesed personal info between our emials out in the open to make me look bad.
Im glad im not crazy and her actions have finaly been brought to light by others on this group.
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 15:41:57
Wow just got home. Seems a shame this was blown out of proportion. I plead innocent and do have the in question at start of thread babblemail. I sent it to Bob so he can be the decider. No never said a malicious thing about anyone here why I was a mental health worker and Will don't you know the doc I worked with? He would vouche for me in a heartbeat. Well off the fill out the paperwork for the docs appointment tomorrow for the bones and lymes. Bye. For those on facebook I will go there later after doing my ebay posting for the last of the holiday shoppers. Got some great buys today. Lots of Authentic Ed Hardy. Phillipa. Argue on.
Posted by Justherself54 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense, posted by willyeee on December 13, 2009, at 18:32:26
Nice free for all everyone's having here. This should be on admin..not on the med board.
If someone had a problem with me, I would hope they would have the decency to address it directly with me and not post it on the MED board, of all places, and let everyone who ever harboured a grudge against me jump in and get their shots in.
Just sayin'
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense, posted by Justherself54 on December 13, 2009, at 19:05:59
> Nice free for all everyone's having here. This should be on admin..not on the med board.
>Well actually, it shouldn't be on "any" board if the actions of said poster were not in question. Bye the way, the email I am referring to was sent not sent by babble mail, it was sent to a personal Yahoo email address that I gave to Phillipa. Needless to say, I have since closed the account.
Rocket
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by Phillipa on December 13, 2009, at 18:51:53
It looked to me like everyone was trying to be nice and helpful even while feeling abused or agitated.
Every time I get back on this site (sometimes it can be a year or two)this same type of issue comes up.
I don't care what Bob has to say. He has not been the recipient of what people are complaining about. How could you think he could stand in judgement without certain knowledge of what has occurred? I think it is childish to look to an authority figure like this instead of facing up to ones own behavior with ones piers, ones equals. But I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some snide answer as I interpret it anyway to this or none at all. Not any different to me. It is the usual slap in the face.
What I found to be such a big put down to me and several others here was:
"Seems a shame this was blown out of proportion. I plead innocent " Blames everyone else and then basically flips us all off: "Well off the fill out the paperwork for the docs appointment tomorrow for the bones and lymes. Bye... Phillipa. Argue on."
I feel totally insulted.oky
ps too bad for me that I have way too much time on my hands to let something like this get to me but I am human too.
Posted by Justherself54 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: In Phillipa's defense » Justherself54, posted by RocketMan on December 13, 2009, at 19:48:52
Right now it's "he said, she said"..none of us knows exactly what was in the email..so unless you're prepared to post it, so we can all sit as judge and jury, perhaps it's best to let this thread die a quick death.
Posted by Justherself54 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 19:59:41
>>How could you think he could stand in judgement without certain knowledge of what has occurred?
None of us, except Rocket and Phillipa, have the certain knowledge of what has occured.
I'm just saying that if I got an email on my personal email account that I took exception to, and without the civility guidelines pertaining to a babblemail..I certainly would take care of it at that level..
So what do you want to see as a result of this thread?
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: Sheesh, posted by Justherself54 on December 13, 2009, at 20:51:48
I feel Merry Christmas, Happy Hannakah would be more in the spirit. It's sad that so many feel horrible at this time of year. I usually say thankfully I don't have this or that illness and lucky to have the ones I do. Sorry if you felt I just left but I do have things other than babble to do. Oh it was a babblemail. Just to clarify. Phillipa How bout we get some spirit and do something nice for someone else tomorrow? Makes you feel a bit better!!!!
Posted by RocketMan on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:39
In reply to Re: Apologies » okydoky, posted by Justherself54 on December 13, 2009, at 21:00:22
> None of us, except Rocket and Phillipa, have the certain knowledge of what has occured.
>My original post was to Phillipa. I would not of started the post unless I felt justified. I am not willing to copy and paste the email she sent me. Your request for me to do so is stooping to the level of what Phillipa has done. The fact that others have voiced their concerns is none of my doings, but, does bring forth a disturbing pattern.
> I'm just saying that if I got an email on my personal email account that I took exception to, and without the civility guidelines pertaining to a babble mail..I certainly would take care of it at that level..
>You do what you like, as I did.
> So what do you want to see as a result of this thread?
The thread has grown legs of it's own, by both sides. My point was to alert Phillipa to the fact I am no longer willing to have communication with her. I have learned my lesson, as have may others. Now let the thread die, if you can.....
Rocket
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:40
In reply to Re: Apologies » Justherself54, posted by RocketMan on December 13, 2009, at 22:18:53
>>How could you think he could stand in judgement without certain knowledge of what has occurred?
I am sorry if you misunderstood it was meant as something that would be ridiculous for the very reasons you stated.
I had received a Babble also that bothered me some and when i saw others it hit a nerve.
I am human with my own faults and bad moods.
I definitely did not like being insulted and I reacted.
I seem to be hard headed sometimes and it takes several tries for me to learn my lesson.
I will try to take a cue from you and try to stick to my own issues with others.
I appreciate the constructive criticism. It was needed.
oky
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:40
In reply to Re: Apologies » RocketMan, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 22:41:56
Hi I'm hoping you don't mean I sent one that was insulting as I didn't. Could you or would you mind clarifying that? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:40
In reply to Re: Apologies » okydoky, posted by Phillipa on December 13, 2009, at 22:57:37
Honestly Phillipa I was trying to send another post to clarify that I "felt" insulted but I am so da**** physically ill tonight I was not able to do it through all the tears.
I am clarifying that you did make me feel that way whether you meant to or not.
And now I am officially ending my interaction on this thread.
oky
Posted by johnj1 on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:40
In reply to Re: Sheesh, posted by Phillipa on December 13, 2009, at 21:02:30
Why should we just blow it off? That is what you want isn't it? You need to take repsonsibiltiy for your actions. Many here know this is not the first time you have been called on for being offensive to others and then you cry out that people are picking on you. I think your intentions have come to light here and people have the right to be wary.
Posted by Nadezda on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:41
In reply to Re: Sheesh, posted by Phillipa on December 13, 2009, at 21:02:30
Did you do something nice for someone today, Phillipa? Did it help you feel better?
Nadezda
Posted by morganator on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:41
In reply to Re: Sheesh, posted by Nadezda on December 14, 2009, at 23:43:04
Really has she been that bad or are people here super sensitive?
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 15, 2009, at 3:18:38
In reply to Re: Apologies, posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2009, at 2:18:38
> What up with the babblemail you sent me? Are you trying to stir things up, or, or you just very lonely and need some attention??????
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> RocketMan> Well not to be a trouble maker,but instead simply speak my situation,phillipa has EMAILED me initially and so on,i have answered being a nice person,and she then eith released the conversations of those emails in posts,or used them AGANIST ME in debated posts.
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> willyeee> this was blown out of proportion.
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> PhillipaPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused. Even if you feel hurt yourself.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Denise, thanks for apologizing.
Justyourself54 and RocketMan, thanks for trying to de-escalate this later.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express yourself, including a link to a nice post by Dinah on I-statements, are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
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> please refrain from any contact with myself, either by babble mail, or here on the posting site.
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> RocketMan> I just truly believe that there is much more to be gained by dealing with these issues ourselves, and I mean as a community of equals, than by entrusting what is "good" and/or "right" (I am not good with words sorry) to some "administrator" and/or his "deputies". I think this is a chance to try out our self reliance without the possible repercussions that could come in the "real world".
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> I do think if one does not want to receive Babble form a particular person I should be able to exclude them.
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> okyI support self-reliance. You can choose not to open a post or an email. But other posters may feel hurt if you ask them not to post to you. But as a last resort, there's a procedure if you feel harassed here:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#harassed
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> Dr. Bob's policies should not allow for this type of behavior!
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> johnj1> Dr. Bob can be of help if babblemail was involved. If email was involved contacting a person's ISP's abuse department might be an option.
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> 2nd xylophone> I am not implying anyone is lying it is just difficult to know exactly what is really going on and why and what the intent was.
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> okyRight, I can confirm whether babblemail is genuine and block someone from sending them:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#babblemail
But with email, the appropriate authority is the sender's email provider.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 3:55:52
In reply to Re: please be civil » RocketMan » willyeee » Phillipa, posted by Dr. Bob on December 15, 2009, at 3:18:38
Dr Bob,
You have my name stated my name >oky twice with statements following that I did not make and I fail to understand how I was uncivil. If anything I jumped through multiple hoops to ensure I was not, to include an apology when I unintentionally worded my post not clarifying "I felt"...
Would you please clarify?Who is "Denise" in this thread and where is the opology?
oky
Posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 4:11:04
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by okydoky on December 15, 2009, at 3:55:52
Please clarify as my name was not in the "please be civil" post subjet line yet I was referred to twice even after I apologised.
oky
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