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Posted by Angela2 on August 22, 2009, at 21:49:42
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by SLS on August 22, 2009, at 9:46:30
It doesn't sound like Dr. Bob has plans to get rid of PB. But I wonder along with the rest of u guys how the site will be maintained with 2 deputies gone.
Posted by 10derHeart on August 23, 2009, at 0:21:41
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by Angela2 on August 22, 2009, at 21:49:42
Though I get your wondering and worry, Angela, I think the impact of just my resignation and Dinah's inability to do deputy duties *for now* is far less of a problem than it might seem.
I'd say during my tenure it was the exception, never the rule, when all three deputies were available, all at once. Many times it was only one, and sometimes, none. It ebbs and flows, like life. I loved those times when we could all consult, share things, etc.,, but it wasn't all that realistic to have that happen often. Even in the the extreme of none - Dr. Bob knew that and could check in more himself.
Most times only one or two deputies were available at any given moment, day, week, etc. During my 3 years, we all had plenty of the normal (and maybe not-so-normal) family, personal, job, school, etc., stuff go on IRL. We had our own MH issues. We got busy, tired, lazy, frustrated, confused, ill, and so on and so forth. We found ourselves faced with situations on the boards we either didn't understand, or did, but didn't feel comfortable or equipped to cope with. But still, with the reality and humanness of all that, I think even in times of great upset, with lots of activity, issues, many notifications, etc., the number of deputies rarely became a factor. Any of those times that I recall, what was needed was Dr. Bob. Period. To make a decision, or do things deputies couldn't or didn't choose to do Everything deputies do is entirely voluntary, at all times. And Dr. Bob - well, he will be available as much or as little as he chooses, I think, as always.
Also....Dinah is not gone. I am the only deputy who resigned. Her situation is temporary. I'm unsure how else to articulate that her situation and mine were/are about as different as night and day. I just hope most posters can just believe me, based on long knowledge of me here.
I can think of ways Dr. Bob will maintain the site, and that posters can help.
Of course, posters can do their best to be civil and try to follow other guidelines in the FAQ :-)
Dr. Bob can be around more.
Dinah's current issue will get resolved soon and she will be around as usual.
I will help in ways it's appropriate for a non-deputy poster to help. Civility buddy, if anyone would like. Routine questions on Admin like, "How do I...?" "Where in the FAQ does it say...?" No longer being a deputy doesn't erase my memory, habits and instinct. Maybe I'll spot things others who have never been deputies might miss, that would help the current admin. I don't know, but I'll try when I can. Not too much, but not too little, I hope. It's the least I can do, and I will to the extent I'm not annoying the heck out of my former fellow deputies and Dr. Bob.... I am be sooo annoying...
Babble won't be all that terribly busy with posts - it hasn't been for a while (not that I like that at all, but it's current factor that actually helps if there are less posters helping administrate for a while...)
Others will likely volunteer to be deputies, just like I did. I can think of at least five posters, including myself, who are *former* deputies right now. Dinah is the only one who has been a deputy nearly (?) from he beginning of Babble.
So I really, really think it will be alright. Sure, maybe some slowness of response, or a transition period, but that's Babble and that's life, too, isn't it? :-)
If you made it this far, you rock! Sorry so long-winded, it's genetic, I figure...
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
In reply to maintaining Babble, as I see it » Angela2, posted by 10derHeart on August 23, 2009, at 0:21:41
> People now come and go and don't stick around.
>
> Phillipa> I remember when I couldn't keep up with all the posts and threads, and now I come back every 10 -14 days and its easy to catch up. I miss all the traffic and posters. I long for those days but I am afraid it is the end of an era. so many friends gone now.
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> rskWould you like more people to stick around? Or to come in the first place? Would you like old friends to return?
If so, can you think of anything you can do to help?
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> Does this mean that you're going to be around more Dr. Bob
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> rsk> It would be nice to know what the doctor's plans are for maintaining Psycho-Babble. I hope he has no plans to retire his website any time soon.
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> - Scott> Others will likely volunteer to be deputies, just like I did.
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> 10derHeartI'm trying to be around more. The more supportive you all are to each other, the easier it will be for me and Racer until Dinah can be a deputy again. And until new deputies join the ranks. I have no plans to retire this site.
Bob
Posted by SLS on August 23, 2009, at 7:43:35
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
> I have no plans to retire this site.
Thank you.
- Scott
Posted by Partlycloudy on August 23, 2009, at 10:57:55
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
Thanks for answering us all - I appreciate it.
pc
Posted by Deneb on August 23, 2009, at 12:19:29
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
Dr. Bob, if you really need more deputies, I can offer to be one if you think I am able. I don't like having much power though and I worry people see me as unstable, so if you think I should wait a while first that would be OK.
Of course I would love being able to communicate with you more. Of course I'll try to be professional.
I'll try really really hard to post good things so people don't get upset. I worry people won't trust a deputy who posts upsetting things.
Anyways, if you really need more deputies you can train me as one if you think I am suitable for the job.
I really won't be offended if you think I am not suitable for the job.
I would prefer not having any responsibilities at all, but I will volunteer if Babble really really needs deputies.
Babble is important to me and I will help it out if no one else will.
Posted by Phillipa on August 23, 2009, at 12:33:16
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
Dr. Bob yes I'd love the old posters to return and have asked them via e-mail or another site and none are inclined to. Some and not being mean or uncivil just repeating what they said so will put in quotes said " Babble made me sicker" That was their response. Phillipa
Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:39:19
In reply to maintaining Babble, as I see it » Angela2, posted by 10derHeart on August 23, 2009, at 0:21:41
Good post 10derheart!
Thanks you.
Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:42:47
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:04:54
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:42:47
> Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
Angela2,
You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:Ivan Skidyvan:
I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.Helen Weilz:
Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
Seymore Heinz:
Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
D. other aspects not stated
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:12:14
In reply to Lou's request -sprt+reinfrcmt, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:04:54
> > Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
>
> Angela2,
> You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
> I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
> In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.
>
> Helen Weilz:
> Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
>
> Seymore Heinz:
> Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.
>
> If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
> A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
> B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
> C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
> D. other aspects not stated
> Lou> Angela2,
Now in any hypothetical post that you could make here, could you post that in your opinion these disorders could be the result of hereditiy and be supportive according to your conception of what constituites support?
Lou
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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:34:41
In reply to Lou's request to Angela2 -hrdty, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:12:14
> > > Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
> >
> > Angela2,
> > You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
> > I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
> > In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:
> >
> > Ivan Skidyvan:
> > I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.
> >
> > Helen Weilz:
> > Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
> >
> > Seymore Heinz:
> > Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.
> >
> > If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
> > A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
> > B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
> > C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
> > D. other aspects not stated
> > Lou
>
> > Angela2,
> Now in any hypothetical post that you could make here, could you post that in your opinion these disorders could be the result of hereditiy and be supportive according to your conception of what constituites support?
> LouAngela2,
If you post here your conception of what constitutes support, could you post an example of a supportive statement to reply to Ivan here?Ivan Skidyvan:
Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.Lou
Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
In reply to Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:34:41
Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
Ivan Skidyvan:
Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 16:50:43
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
> Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.
>
> My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>
> >>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
>
> I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?Angela2
You wrote, [...I would ask Ivan Skidyvan what Lamark believes...].
That is good as I see it as being supportive. The asking is showing that one has read his post. The asking also gives him the opportunity to explain what is being asked. This could be good for the community as the explanation could bring out more education and support (which I have not defined my understanding of here as of yet).
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on August 23, 2009, at 17:12:29
In reply to Lou's reply- » Angela2, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 16:50:43
I would say to Ivan
'Lamark has come back into fashion. Is that right? Can you tell me how and why?'
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 17:23:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by Sigismund on August 23, 2009, at 17:12:29
> I would say to Ivan
> 'Lamark has come back into fashion. Is that right? Can you tell me how and why?'Sigismund,
Now Sigmund Freud believed in Lamark's concept of evolution. Larmark's concept was different from Darwin's concept.
I have not heard of any acceptance from the scientific community of Lamark's concept of evolution. Have you? If so, could you post here a link to such?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 20:06:09
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
> Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.
>
> My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>
> >>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
>
> I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?Angela2,
You wrote,[...is reinforcment...?]
Let's look at another hypothetical discussion. This time Ivan says that he belongs to the flat earth society and is looking for members to discuss his views.Ivan Skidyvan posts;
The earth is flat and all those pictures from space are faked.Could you post an example of a post to Ivan that could be in your thinking of what support means?
Lou
Posted by 10derHeart on August 24, 2009, at 15:52:02
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, as I see it » 10derHeart, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:39:19
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 4:28:44
In reply to Lou's reply-Lmrk » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 17:23:20
> Now Sigmund Freud believed in Lamark's concept of evolution. Larmark's concept was different from Darwin's concept.
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding evolution to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20090827/msgs/918918.html
That'll be considered a new thread, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by Phillipa on August 23, 2009, at 12:33:16
> > Would you like more people to stick around? Or to come in the first place? Would you like old friends to return?
> >
> > If so, can you think of anything you can do to help?
>
> Dr. Bob, if you really need more deputies, I can offer to be one if you think I am able.
>
> Deneb> Dr. Bob yes I'd love the old posters to return and have asked them via e-mail or another site and none are inclined to. Some ... said " Babble made me sicker"
>
> PhillipaThanks for volunteering to be a deputy and for asking old posters to return, I do think those are ways to help.
What is it about Babble that made them sicker? Is there something we can do about that?
I wonder if current posters feel ambivalent about new posters joining. Since current posters don't always welcome new posters. For example, I did a mini-survey of the last archive at Medication and found 13 flagged posts by new posters. 9 were replied to, 4 weren't. 7 of the 9 who were replied to posted again, but only 1 of the 4 who weren't. I know it's oversimplifying to consider posting a second time staying, but if the 4 posters who weren't replied to had been and we extrapolate, 2 more would have stayed. 2 new posters every 9 days isn't a ton, but it would add up.
Another example is allowing posts to be tweeted. That might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here, after which they might join, but some current posters seem not to want more people reading their posts. Which of course would happen if Babble grew.
Bob
Posted by muffled on September 29, 2009, at 8:53:54
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
"What is it about Babble that made them sicker?
Is there something we can do about that?"Blocks, excessive blocks.
Apparently not...
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:05:03
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by SLS on August 21, 2009, at 13:42:27
People now come and go and don't stick around. Just my thoughts. Phillipa
>
> Yiah. We gained two great people on the Psychology board in one week, only to see them both disappear the following week. That's a trajedy.
>
>
> - Scott~ ~ I noticed the same thing also.
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:08:55
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk? » Phillipa, posted by gobbledygook on August 21, 2009, at 14:11:33
>
> I miss Twinleaf, Fayeroe, Verne, and many others...they've been gone for so long.
>
> They brought a lot of spirit and heart here...void and sadness...that's what I feel.
>
> I hope all of you are doing well if you're reading this. I miss reading your posts.
>
> Ava
>~ ~ Ditto & lots of other also. :-(
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:13:44
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by Sigismund on August 21, 2009, at 15:43:43
> Lrrrrp
~~ Lurrrppp for sure & kk & Auntie Mel & Midnight Blue - lots!
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:20:17
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk? » Partlycloudy, posted by rskontos on August 21, 2009, at 20:26:39
> I feel like Åva, the babble I used to cherish has eroded to something I don't always recognize. Maybe Phillipa is right, the trouble really vamped up after that announcement of students, then the Twitter thing, and all the unseemly blocks that I feel aren't warranted.
~ ~ I agree with the above ~ ~
> I felt like the Babble I first experience in 2006 is nothing like the Babble of today. that is just my 2 cents.~ ~ Me too. ~ ~
> I remember when I couldn't keep up with all the posts and threads, and now I come back every 10 -14 days and its easy to catch up. I miss all the traffic and posters. I long for those days but I am afraid it is the end of an era. so many friends gone now.~ ~ Me toooooo. Well I'm here mostly every day, but the # of posts, at least on Social is VERY small ~ ~
Kath
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