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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:20:41
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » Deneb, posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 0:39:32
I love Dr. Bob because he cares about Babble and he's a caring, fun loving, adventurous, smart, interesting, funny, attentive, guy.
I like how he listens to people and makes comments and how he thinks about others, even the little people others rarely notice.
I like how devoted he is to Babble, and all the time he spends here. I like how he is funny and makes jokes.
He cares about the little people you don't usually notice. I love how he loves to explore and is like a little kid. I love how he loves to share things, like pictures and food.
I love how he sticks to things he believes in and tries to make Babble safe the best he can, even if it doesn't always work out. I know he has good intentions.
:-)
I just love him soooooooo much! I love him. :-)
((((((((((((Dr. Bob)))))))))))))))))
I love practically everything about him.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:26:26
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:20:41
I was just using like, but replace them with love. LOL
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 4:58:18
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » Deneb, posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 0:39:32
> > Yeah, that makes sense, but isn't it a bigger disappointment to not even to friends in the first place?
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> Being disappointed (rejected) after developing a personal relationship with someone for whom you have such intense unrequited feelings can be traumatic.
>
> Perhaps it is better to worship from afar.Hehe, worship. LOL
>
> Besides, reality is often disappointing when compared to the fantasy.So far reality hasn't let me down, but I think I know what you mean. Dr. Bob however is awesome in real life and it makes me love him more.
> Who am I to discourage you from trying, though?
>
> Nobody.
>
> I still think that you can learn things about yourself by examining your current feelings, whether they are requited or not.
>
> Why Dr. Bob?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 11:38:49
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » SLS, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 4:58:18
> > Besides, reality is often disappointing when compared to the fantasy.
> So far reality hasn't let me down, but I think I know what you mean. Dr. Bob however is awesome in real life and it makes me love him more.It is nice to hear something complementary about Dr. Bob every now and then.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 25, 2009, at 14:39:31
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:20:41
> I love Dr. Bob because he cares about Babble and he's a caring, fun loving, adventurous, smart, interesting, funny, attentive, guy.
>
> I like how he listens to people and makes comments and how he thinks about others, even the little people others rarely notice.
>
> I like how devoted he is to Babble, and all the time he spends here. I like how he is funny and makes jokes.
>
> He cares about the little people you don't usually notice. I love how he loves to explore and is like a little kid. I love how he loves to share things, like pictures and food.
>
> I love how he sticks to things he believes in and tries to make Babble safe the best he can, even if it doesn't always work out. I know he has good intentions.
>
> :-)
>
> I just love him soooooooo much! I love him. :-)
>
> ((((((((((((Dr. Bob)))))))))))))))))
>
> I love practically everything about him.
>
> Deneb,
You wrote,[...the little people others rarely notice...].
I am unsure as to what yoiu are wanting to mean here. If you could post answers to the following, then I coukld have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What in your thinking constitutes one here to be a little person?
B. In your thinking, how do you determine if or if not others notice a person in that catagory of yours?
C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
F. What is your conception of what could lead a person to feel put down?
G. redacted by respondent
Lou
Posted by Zeba on July 25, 2009, at 17:20:45
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » Deneb, posted by Zeba on July 25, 2009, at 0:59:32
Is there someone in your everyday life you feel this way about too? I don't guess you see Dr. Bob that frequently??
Zeba
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:44:03
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » Zeba, posted by Zeba on July 25, 2009, at 17:20:45
> Is there someone in your everyday life you feel this way about too? I don't guess you see Dr. Bob that frequently??
>
> ZebaNo, I've never felt this way with anyone else. I only see him at Babble Meet-ups. That's about 2 days in a year.
Posted by Sigismund on July 25, 2009, at 22:55:21
In reply to Lou's request- » Deneb, posted by Lou Pilder on July 25, 2009, at 14:39:31
You must be one of the big boys, Lou.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2009, at 2:32:03
In reply to Lou's request- » Deneb, posted by Lou Pilder on July 25, 2009, at 14:39:31
> C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceThanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 9:50:36
In reply to Re: Lou's request » Lou Pilder, posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2009, at 2:32:03
> > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
>
> Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
>
> But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
>
> More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 12:35:40
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung- » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 9:50:36
> > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> >
> > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> >
> > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> >
> > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> Lou Pilder
>
Mr. Hsiung,
If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
Lou Pilder
lpilder_1188@fuse.net
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.html
Posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 14:34:30
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued, posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 12:35:40
Since we have come to people's feelings being hurt, it is timely to say that I recall that post you made, Lou, where you rescinded all your requests. I don't have the link but I read it recently. Your hurt and your feeling of being put down and shunned was very obvious to me.
I just wanted to say this. That's all.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 15:35:13
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 14:34:30
> Since we have come to people's feelings being hurt, it is timely to say that I recall that post you made, Lou, where you rescinded all your requests. I don't have the link but I read it recently. Your hurt and your feeling of being put down and shunned was very obvious to me.
> I just wanted to say this. That's all.You wrote,[...you rescinded...], and [...was very obvious to me...].
I have reinstated my requests to the administration.
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to connect, if anything, with your post and the topic in this thread. Could you post here more from your perspective? Ifyou could, then I could rule out or confirm what could or could not be what you are wanting to mean here.
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 16:17:44
In reply to Re: Lou's request » Lou Pilder, posted by Dr. Bob on July 26, 2009, at 2:32:03
I was wanting to connect this
>Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
with what I imagined to be the way you felt not being answered.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 20:40:49
In reply to Re: Lou's request » Dr. Bob, posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 16:17:44
> I was wanting to connect this
>
> >Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
>
> with what I imagined to be the way you felt not being answered.
Sigismund,
You wrote,[...not being answered...]
I am unsure as to what person you are wanting to mean here. If you could identify who is not answering me in relation to your statement in question, then I could reply with knowing that.
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 20:47:18
In reply to Lou's reply- » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 20:40:49
>I am unsure as to what person you are wanting to mean here.
Really?
>If you could identify who is not answering me in relation to your statement in question, then I could reply with knowing that.
Would it be civil to do so?
Lou, am I that obscure?
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 21:32:49
In reply to Re: Lou's reply- » Lou Pilder, posted by Sigismund on July 26, 2009, at 20:47:18
> >I am unsure as to what person you are wanting to mean here.
>
> Really?
>
> >If you could identify who is not answering me in relation to your statement in question, then I could reply with knowing that.
>
> Would it be civil to do so?
>
> Lou, am I that obscure?Sigismund,
You wrote, [...do so?...]
You could reply to me that you decline to identify. You do not have to reply to a request that asks {could you}. Your reply could be just a "no" as others have posted here to some of my requests for clarification/identification.
The results then, if the identification/clarification is declined to be given, is that {I could then not reply}, for without the clarification, I would have to speculate as to the identification and I then would be possibly wrong in my speculation so I decline to respond.
Asking the author of a post for clarification/identification is IMO a civil way for people in a discussion to continue dialog. If dialog is not wanting to be continued, the member being asked for clarification could decline, and that is OK also with me.
I consider that the administration has an obligation to abide by their own TOS, though this administration may not think so, which is IMO different from members declining to reply to requests for clarification, notifications, and such.
You see, if my notifications/requests for rationales and such are not responded to, then there could be that IMO there could be the potential that I could become a target of ridicule, a scapegoat, and become a victim of anti-Semitic violence. This violence does not have to be physical. The violence could be emotional/psychological. The law sometimes calls this infliction of emotional distress and one could read the statutes from their jurisdiction to see how that could be done to someone. Somne jurisdictions call any negligence on the part of the administration to be actionable by law as a tort, being either the owner or his designates that are in his place as moderators/deputies.
Then their is that you are willing to post something here but without the identification, I can not be sure as to who it is that you are wanting to mean.
So let it be, Sigismund. But could you post to me statements from here on that you have identification as to the identification of who you want to mean? If you could, then I would not need to request from you identification.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 22:39:58
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued, posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 12:35:40
> > > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> > >
> > > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> > >
> > > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> > >
> > > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> > I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> > In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> > A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> > B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> > C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> > D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> > E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> > F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> > Lou Pilder
> >
> Mr. Hsiung,
> If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
> And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
> If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
> A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
> B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
> C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
> Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
> Lou Pilder
> lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.htmlcorrected link
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/msgs/841329.html
Posted by Deneb on July 26, 2009, at 23:07:56
In reply to Re: I wish Dr. Bob could be my friend » Zeba, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:44:03
I miss playing Scrabble with Dr. Bob. :-(
I wish I wish I wish I could play Scrabble with Dr. Bob. Or chat. I wish. :-(
Pdoc says Dr. Bob made a mistake in playing Scrabble with Babblers. I don't think so.
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 5:07:00
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued-correction, posted by Lou Pilder on July 26, 2009, at 22:39:58
> > > > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> > > >
> > > > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> > > >
> > > > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> > > >
> > > > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> > > I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> > > In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> > > A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> > > B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> > > C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> > > D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> > > E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> > > F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
> > And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
> > If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
> > A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
> > B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
> > C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
> > Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
> > Lou Pilder
> > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.html
>
> corrected link
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/msgs/841329.htmlMr. Hsiung,
You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 5:53:17
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued-B, posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 5:07:00
> > > > > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > > > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > > > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> > > > >
> > > > > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> > > > >
> > > > > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> > > > >
> > > > > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> > > > I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> > > > In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> > > > A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> > > > B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> > > > C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> > > > D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> > > > E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> > > > F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
> > > And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
> > > If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
> > > A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
> > > B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
> > > C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
> > > Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.html
> >
> > corrected link
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/msgs/841329.html
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
> You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
> Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
> You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
> Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
> Lou Pilder
>
Mr. Hsiung,
If you are going to reply to me here, I would like for you to read the following and follow all of it's content and consider what can be seen in any reply to me here.. For members interested in an in-depth commentary , they could email me if they like.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 6:21:26
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued-B-lnk, posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 5:53:17
> > > > > > > C. If you could identify members here in your catagory in question, could you make a list of those in that catagory?
> > > > > > > D. If so, could you email me that list or email it to someone that could email it to me?
> > > > > > > E. Do you think that any people on a list like that, they saw their name on the list,could be led to feel put down?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please be sensitive to the feelings of others. For example, please don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But please don't take this personally, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More information about posting policies is in the FAQ:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > You wrote,[...don't suggest that anyone do anything that might lead others to feel put down...]
> > > > > I do not see anything in my request that you cited that suggests that the poster in question could feel put down untill you could respond by posting answers to the following. If you could, then I could then have a better underdstanding of what you wrote to me and respond accordingly.
> > > > > In regards to your TOS here that this board is for to ask for your rationales, have dialog concerning the actions that you take and the policy and rules here ect;
> > > > > A. What is the criteria that you used to determine that my request could lead , I guess, the poster, to feel put down?
> > > > > B. If it is someone other than the poster that you write that they could be led to feel put down, I guess, by them reading my request to another member, what could be your rationale for such?
> > > > > C. Is asking that another email to anyone here the same as asking the member to post what they are requesting for them to email, if what is requested exists? . If so, could you post here your rationale for such?
> > > > > D. In your TOS that you do what in your thinking will be good for the communitty as a whole, and that you would like others to try to trust you in that regard, could you post here what your rationale is that could make it good for the commnunity as whole for others to be restricted here to request from another member something about what they posted and why members are to try to trust you in that regard? If your reply contains aspects with my requests in A, B and C here included in any reply from you to me here, I think that that could go a long way for members to have a better understnding of the actions that you take here and then they could also have the opportunity IMO to post what IMO could be good for the community as a whole if they like. If you could, then I could post here all the outstanding requests from me to you, all of the outsdtanding notification from me to you, and them others could have the opportunity IMO to make their own determination about my concerns without emailing me.
> > > > > E. If the same request could be posted here by modifying the request, what would be needed to put in that request, if there exists something to make it acceptable to be posted here?
> > > > > F. Could a member request to another member that they apologize and if so, what could be in your thinking the differentiating criteria that could make that an acceptable request and requesting to email me would not?
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > If you are considering posting a reply here to my requests to you in this thrread, could you look at the posts in the threads that the following links bring up? If you could, I would like for you to consider what could be seen in those threads in any reply to me here that you may post.
> > > > And to member interested in considering posting here in this thread, I would like for you also to look at the posts in the links and consider what can be seen there.
> > > > If you are are further interested and would like to email me for additional infomation concerning the aspects here involved, I could email you links that could give further infomation regarding:
> > > > A. What other psychiatrists/psychologists write regarding some aspects of the situation that can be seen here that IMO could offer you more understanding so as to post with more infomation
> > > > B. The historical parallels to what can be seen here.
> > > > C. Posts from here that might IMO could be very interesting in reagrds to what can be seen here as to if you are considering posting here in this thread or parallel threads.
> > > > Here are some links that I would appreciate if interested members could take some time to explore.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > lpilder_1188@fuse.net
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090702/msgs/907121.html
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/907122.html
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090707/msgs/906568.html
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/897756.html
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/mshs/841329.html
> > >
> > > corrected link
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080709/msgs/841329.html
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
> > You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
> > Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
> > You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
> > Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
> > Lou Pilder
> >
> Mr. Hsiung,
> If you are going to reply to me here, I would like for you to read the following and follow all of it's content and consider what can be seen in any reply to me here.. For members interested in an in-depth commentary , they could email me if they like.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.htmlMr. Hsiung,
I consider that an adminstrator of a mental health site is obligated to do all he can to make sure that antisemitic statements are notated as being uncivil here as other statements, in that could lead Jews to feel accused or put down.
In the link to the post in question here, the last link in the post has statements that could lead a Jew to feel accused/put down that are left to stand. I would like for you to post here your rationale for allowing those statements about Jews to stand while you accuse me and blame me for the feelings of another because I request clarification or identification to be emailed to me concerning what they posted.
Lou Pilder
Posted by SLS on July 27, 2009, at 6:24:34
In reply to Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued-B, posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 5:07:00
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
> You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
> Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
> You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
> Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
> Lou Pilder
****************************************************************
I found this post of yours to be much easier to read and understand than the majority of those you have written. You know what a difficult time I have of reading things in general. I might be the only one who has trouble reading your posts. However, I just thought I would mention it. It was a pleasure reading this. Of course, I don't agree with all of it, but at least I have a better idea of what you think and feel about things.I hope that what I wrote here is clear enough that you shouldn't need further clarification.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 6:29:48
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Mr. Hsiung continued-B » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 27, 2009, at 6:24:34
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote to me,[...please be sensitive to the feelings of others...suggest to...]
> > You have directed an accusation toward me and I do not appreciate it. Blamimg me for another's feelings because they wrote something here and I would like for them to clarify such by emailing me what they are wanting to mean is causing me distress that I did not expect from a psychiatrist that invites his guests to be part of a supportive and safe environment.
> > Why are you blaming me here for another's feelings? What about my feelings? Do you have an idea of what it feels like as a Jew here to be characterized in the manner that you say you will allow to be posted without your notation in the thread where it appears to be not conducive to civic harmony and welfare of the community because it is in a link when you have also posted here that members are not to post links to sites that have anti-Semitic content? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to be characterized as evil in a mental health community and you allow it? Do you know how it feels as a Jew when a rule is made to prevent me from posting more than 3 consecutive posts which could allow me to uncover anti-Semitic statements and others are not told to be civil when they use more than 3 consecutive posts? You want to claim negligence? You want to claim you don't have the time? You want to claim that it is impossible? Impossible? If so, what causes it too be impossible? Is that an exaggeration?
> > You want others to trust you in what you do here. Can they also blame me for their feelings if I request from them to clarify what they wrote by emailing me? Could they not decline my request? How can I find out from them if they do not tell me? Use the notification so you can ask them? But there are outstanding notifications from me so what kind of expectation do I have that you would do so if that was a way? You write that in your TOS that you wil reply or post in the thread to a notification. Do YOu know how it feels when that is not done over and over when it is in your TOS that members have an expectation of?
> > Perhaps someone greater than me will come by someday here that will find a way that will cause you to notate all the statements here that could to have the potential arrouse antisemitic feelings, or lead a Jew to feel put down, that you are allowing to stand. They may see it as humiliation toward Jews. You say it is in the past? I can see them in thhe present. You say that a match can start a forest fire? Well, I see an unquenched flame waiting for somone to pick it up and could carry it to other places. You say that the foundation of my faith(Judaism) if posted will put down others? Do you know how it feels for a Jew to hear that from a psychiatrist when he allows antisemitic statements to stand? You say that others can post what could lead a Jew IMO to feel put down because they believe it? And you say that it is good that they believe it? And I believe the commmandment to me from my God and you threaten to expell me here if I was to post what I believe? Do you know how it feels as a Jew to be held to different standards? And you want to blame me for another's feelings. Why is that good for the community as a whole? Do you want me to feel shame for requesting another to email me at their option? Do you want others to see me in a light such as that? If so, why? Do you know what it feels like as a Jew to feel that hostility has the potential to be arroused toward them?
> > Lou Pilder
>
>
> ****************************************************************
>
>
> I found this post of yours to be much easier to read and understand than the majority of those you have written. You know what a difficult time I have of reading things in general. I might be the only one who has trouble reading your posts. However, I just thought I would mention it. It was a pleasure reading this. Of course, I don't agree with all of it, but at least I have a better idea of what you think and feel about things.
>
> I hope that what I wrote here is clear enough that you shouldn't need further clarification.
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...I don't agree with all of it...]
The generally accepted meaning of that could mean that you do agree with part of it. Could you post here what you do agree with? If you could, then I could differentiate with what you agree and do not agree with and continue our dialog here.
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 27, 2009, at 7:21:25
In reply to Lou's reply to Scott- » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 27, 2009, at 6:29:48
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...I don't agree with all of it...]
> The generally accepted meaning of that could mean that you do agree with part of it. Could you post here what you do agree with? If you could, then I could differentiate with what you agree and do not agree with and continue our dialog here.
> LouI was anticipating this question from you.
I agree that it is difficult to fully understand antisemitism and racism without having been subjected to it yourself. I do recall some posts on the Faith forum that I believe could reinforce antisemitism for some people, especially since some beliefs have been used historically to do so. In some religions, it is difficult to establish a line between belief and the civility of expressing it. However, I do think that tolerance on the part of participants of the Faith forum of the beliefs of others is absolutely necessary.
- Scott
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