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Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 14:21:24
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by gardenergirl on June 29, 2009, at 12:48:32
Posted by Sigismund on June 29, 2009, at 16:31:26
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Sigismund, posted by Nadezda on June 29, 2009, at 10:44:52
>what's a mobile phone? how's it different from a cellphone?
Not at all different. Same thing, to the best of my knowledge.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by garnet71 on June 27, 2009, at 16:20:12
> People might not want certain posts on twitter-- if there were identifying information, etc.
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> NadezdaI wouldn't tweet any identifying information!
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> I'm not one to shy away from technology whatsoever, but I find some of the social applications to be objectifying, dehumanizing, and a precursor to an uncomfortable, potential merger of reality and fantasy. In other words, it makes me think that people are going to start creating their own identity out of fantasy, and desires of who they want to portray themselves as (based on superficial desires) rather than realizing an identity from past human relationships and personal interactions at both the micro and macro levels. Instead of becoming an individual through learning, growth, and human intereactions it's like creating a false persona that covers up the true person. It seems narcissistic.
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> Maybe some think it's better for people to create their own identiy based upon wishes and desires of who they want to become rather than cultivate the core self into a 'personality' as a whole or identity derived from learning and experiences?
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> garnet71That's an interesting issue. For one thing, a message board is a social application, too.
One tweet based on the above could be:
garnet71: people are going to use social applications to create their identity out of who they want to become http://tiny.dr-bob.org/frtj
You said a hybrid seemed creepy to you, how about that specific tweet?
Bob
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Like gg said, I absolutely don't want my posting name used ANYWHERE on the Web except at Babble. Period. I hate that you would decide to, and not me. I hope you won't.
At first I was sorta nonchalant, but now the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. It's not the actual possibility of someone I don't want knowing connecting my name with my actual self. It's much more the overall principle of the thing. The idea of you doing it *feels* like something is being done *to* me. I think I've had plenty of that IRL to last me. I guess you'd do it as a positive thing, seeing that we had something written in such a way it would be an intriguing tweet? I can see that, and I don't think you are uncaring or that there's any negative slant from your end. Also, I can imagine (as I wrote above in my rambling post) it could bring more people to Babble, which would be great.
Yet, it's still creepy and I'm now starting to see the possibility of feeling unsafe and a little violated. I am not claiming this is rational, or even reasonable. I wouldn't know how to measure that. I'm just saying it's how I'm beginning to feel. Maybe more on behalf on others, than just me, as I post very little these days.
I also wonder how posters will feel when you choose sentences out of certain posts. Will they feel slighted, i.e., "what - don't *I* say anything so clever/interesting/cool, whatever, that Dr. Bob wants to use it?" Will there be perceived favorites, if some posters' posts are often used as tweets? {shrug} Probably not. I haven't seen any of the multitudes popping out of the woodwork of Babble yet, worried about "equal Twitter time." Lol.
Dr, Bob, *are* you going to extract parts of posts and put them on Twitter over posters' objections?
Posted by MidnightBlue on June 29, 2009, at 19:57:51
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I think he already has used some messages? I don't like this whole idea and nothing Dr. Bob says about it will change my mind.
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 17:58:23
I hope that Dr. Bob would respect those who request that their posts not be twittered. I think a list is starting below.
I still don't quite get it. I thought twitter was invented so that we could find out what a TV star had for lunch, or to keep up to date with the son or daughter who wouldn't dream of telling their parents what they're doing, but would happily share it with the cosmos.
I didn't think it was for twittering other people's thoughts?
That's the part I don't think I'd like, more than anything else. The excerpting. Even if Dr. Bob didn't excerpt to convey a completely different message than the sender intended (assuming he understood what the sender intended), words out of context just don't mean the same thing.
Scott's quote and Tabitha's quote are both great, but perhaps Scott and Tabitha don't feel that one line out of their posts really capture the essence? Maybe the next quoted person wouldn't.
Maybe it isn't just the excerpting that is a problem for me. It is the most obvious one to me. But things that have a context on this message board my not have the same context in another format, whether or not it is a single line excerpted.
I still am confused about twitter though. Is it used for this sort of promotional twittering often? Is twitter used to quote other people? Are we supposed to be getting that Dr. Bob is communicating to the world through his choice of quotes? My view of twitter is likely missing significant facts, so if anyone could explain these things, I'd really appreciate it.
Posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
Dr. Bob--Please do not send my thoughts out on that website-ever again. I ditto everything 10derheart said. It makes me feel violated somehow.
In addition-I do not like the concept of Twitter. It's uncomfortable to me that people have the desire to 'follow' others. It's my own issue, but I stand by it.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:21:03
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
I cannot understand the point of taking garnet's thoughtful and intelligent post and reducing it to one fragment of one sentence, completely out of context, and broadcasting it on a medium apparently designed to enable people to ask "I'm at 34th and Vine. Where's the nearest Starbuck's?"
And Bob, I would have thought listening to what people have to say would be a useful skill in your profession.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:24:16
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by garnet71 on June 29, 2009, at 20:15:03
He didn't send yours out anywhere. I think he was just proposing one to you that he liked.
Only SLS and Tabitha have tweets from Babble.
http://twitter.com/psycho_babel
I hope it's okay with them. What if they haven;t even seen this/these thread (s)??
:-(
Posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:10:06
If you only twitter people who don't mind your doing it, or if you have everyone reregister with the information that they may be twittered without their knowledge or consent, I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.
Posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
If a post of mine that was as thoughtful as the one you've used as an example of your intentions (i.e. garnet71's) were to be reduced to a cliched banality and posted on twitter, I would feel great shame. I would feel violated.
Bob, if you care at all about the emotional health of this community, before you tweet anybody else's words you MUST establish a "Non-Twit" list and you must scrupulously abide by the wishes of the individual members of the community in this regard. Anything less is unethical and abusive.
By the way, I don't care to be a Twit.
Posted by 10derHeart on June 29, 2009, at 20:55:40
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by henrietta on June 29, 2009, at 20:41:17
I did just wish to reiterate, for clarity's sake, that Dr Bob did not post anything of Garnet's on Twitter as far as I can see.
Not yet, anyway.
Posted by zenhussy on June 29, 2009, at 23:47:15
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 29, 2009, at 17:19:40
anyone can see the list of followers to psycho_babel ** http://twitter.com/psycho_babel ** and click on those followers to be linked to their personal twitter sites. just food for thought.
again why this poster isn't myspaced, facebooked, twittered or any other self created acct in the social networking world. too easy to connect dots when one keeps putting more dots out there. socially networking is all about connecting dots and following the breadcrumb trails. the beauty of the web and also one of the huge downfalls.
being online and posting or tweeting are usually choices....having one's posts excerpted and tweeted isn't a choice....it could be construed as forced social networking.
doesn't seem very ethical. then again it is Robert Hsiung's site(s)/accts and apparently he can do w/ them as he wishes.
TOS of this site it would appear cover his heiny on this matter.
thus endeth babbling for this poster.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dinah on June 29, 2009, at 20:26:00
> I guess you'd do it as a positive thing, seeing that we had something written in such a way it would be an intriguing tweet? ... Also, I can imagine ... it could bring more people to Babble, which would be great.
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> I also wonder how posters will feel when you choose sentences out of certain posts. Will they feel slighted, i.e., "what - don't *I* say anything so clever/interesting/cool, whatever, that Dr. Bob wants to use it?" Will there be perceived favorites, if some posters' posts are often used as tweets?
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> 10derHeart> If you only twitter people who don't mind your doing it, or if you have everyone reregister with the information that they may be twittered without their knowledge or consent, I suppose it wouldn't do any harm.
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> DinahI guess I'm thinking of them as pull quotes:
> A pull quote (also known as a lift-out quote or a call-out) is a quotation or edited excerpt from an article that is typically placed in a larger typeface on the same page, serving to lead readers into an article and to highlight a key topic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull_quote
These tweets might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here.
Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090529/msgs/903760.html
I noticed that @Psycho_Babel is already being followed by some "tweeple". I welcome new followers, but I also want you to know what you might be getting yourself into:
http://www.dr-bob.org/twitter/followers.html
One way in which these tweets differ from the RSS feeds is that I choose what to tweet. So I do wonder if some of the reactions people are having might have to do with wanting (or not wanting) to be chosen (or others to be chosen).
Bob
Posted by floatingbridge on June 30, 2009, at 11:39:58
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:"
Thank you, Dr, Bob, I appreciate this consideration.
FB
Posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
Dr. Bob
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish," you stated this and this is very upsetting. I give you permission as far as BAbble is concerned which is the site I agreed to. At the time of signing, Twitter was a gleam in someone's eyes and not yet a reality. So therefore, you don't have permission to use posts for twittering as it was not in the site agreement and statements and guidelines.
Do you want to run us all off, those that don't want to be on twitter. As adults, we should maintain the right to have ourselves twitted or not. Period. It is a personal matter and you SHOULD respect our wishes or it is shameful violation of trust.
I agree with 10der, on this one. You must add me to DON"T TWITTER.You have reduced me to feeling like a child without any control. Something that is the reason I have trust issues and mental health issues. Shameful statement if you ask me, that we have already given you permission.
No way.
rsk
Posted by Dinah on July 1, 2009, at 22:25:08
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
But he also said this:
"Submitting messages already gives me permission to use them as I wish, ****but I'll respect the wishes of those on the "no twitter" list:****"
When you think about it, that means he's respecting us as posters enough to choose not to do something he could do. Acknowledging that he could do it was reminding us of our registrations. Saying that he *wouldn't* was respectful, IMO.
Posted by Deneb on July 1, 2009, at 22:40:38
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
Dr. Bob has been using our posts for a long time. He quotes us for his APA presentations.
I'm OK with it. It says we give him permission to do what he wishes with our posts when we register.
Tweet me Dr. Bob. LOL I want the whole world to read about me.
Posted by muffled on July 1, 2009, at 22:47:32
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter, posted by Dr. Bob on June 30, 2009, at 8:14:27
"One way in which these tweets differ from the RSS feeds is that I choose what to tweet. So I do wonder if some of the reactions people are having might have to do with wanting (or not wanting) to be chosen (or others to be chosen).
Bob "
You choose what to tweet....I thot you was allus so busy Bob. You get canned or what? Where you gonna find time to do all this editing and tweeting?
Ohyeah, and I just BET you LOVE the term "followers"....I think Bob, what you want from this site, and what posters here want from this site.....are entirely different.
Which is why I left.
Still miss babblers, which is why I pop in.
But I can't stay.
I never quite trusted your motivations Bob.
I am now knowing more why.I had to smile at your last line...classic Bob.
Take care,
M
Posted by Dinah on July 1, 2009, at 22:58:53
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on July 1, 2009, at 22:47:32
At best, I'm guessing that Twitter is a well thought out decision based on lots of professional input on how to best keep Babble a vibrant entity in an ever evolving internet.
At worst...
Am I correct in thinking you have a son around the age of my son? And of course I tend to be a big kid myself when something takes my fancy. At worst I imagine it's an enthusiasm with something new and intriguing.
I don't see anything mean spirited about it. I can see myself getting excited over something I perceive could be beneficial to something I care about.
But then I find that last line endearingly Bob-like. Or infuriatingly Bob-like, depending on the moment.
Sometimes it's nice to have a constant in an uncertain world. :)
Posted by Deneb on July 1, 2009, at 23:03:02
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » rskontos, posted by Deneb on July 1, 2009, at 22:40:38
I'm going to try to write thought provoking posts because I want to be tweeted. LOL
Tweet me! LOL
Just kidding, I am OK if you don't tweet me Dr. Bob, but it would make me very happy if you do!
Posted by 10derHeart on July 1, 2009, at 23:50:47
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on July 1, 2009, at 22:12:07
>>...as it was not in the site agreement and statements and guidelines.
For clarity and fairness to Dr. Bob, actually it is and I think has been for years. It's in the FAQs about privacy, and about copyrights. There is a link and a statement about learning more about privacy, etc. by reading the FAQ on the page you must click over to before registering (right before the quiz):
"...However, I want to be able to use these posts elsewhere. For example, on my Book Ideas page or in articles."
"You may therefore submit a message ***only if you agree to allow me unrestricted use of it.*** ***Submitting a message constitutes acceptance of that condition.***">It is a personal matter and you SHOULD respect our wishes or it is shameful violation of trust.
And, despite the above, which we all agreed to, he has respected those wishes by allowing posters to opt-out. I appreciate that. Personally, AND on behalf of you and others who are uncomfortable with Twitter. I'm not even sure exactly why it bothers me, except that I never, ever want the posting name I use here used anywhere else if I can help it. No one but Babblers know 10derHeart the poster here (not the Care Bear) as far as I know, and I sure hope it stays like that.
I'm thinking...it may be really difficult for him to empathize completely, not for lack of caring or trying, but just because he sees it quite differently (Dinah's post on Psych says it well:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20090614/msgs/904353.html )
and he is committed to keeping Babble alive and growing, by trying many things technology makes available so more can *find* Babble..... I don't claim to know his mind, but I think his comment:
"These tweets might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here"
.....is a sincere one.
> You have reduced me to feeling like a child without any control. Something that is the reason I have trust issues and mental health issues.I'm sorry things like this trigger you and others like that. I wish I could make it less upsetting, but I doubt I have that power :-(
We DO have to trust Dr. Bob about some things. We are kinda forced to trust many people in life that way. From banks to therapists to husbands to internet providers (I shudder to think what someone with bad motives at Yahoo could reveal about me...) to yes - MH forum administrators. It's damn scary, too, but I do think it's part of life that's unavoidable.
Maybe Dr. Bob's nearly immediate willingness to let everyone opt-out, no matter if he might ( and again, I can't know for sure) see it as better for Babble's future if he went ahead with unrestricted use of your/our words - it might be a small step in seeing him as someone you can trust to listen and honor your wishes?
Just thinking aloud of other ways to see the same scenario.
Take care, rsk.
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 1, 2009, at 23:52:13
In reply to Re: from babble to twitter » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on July 1, 2009, at 22:47:32
> I think Bob, what you want from this site, and what posters here want from this site.....are entirely different.
That's an interesting hypothesis. In what way do you think what I and posters want from this site are opposed?
Bob
Posted by Deneb on July 2, 2009, at 1:02:11
In reply to the site agreement » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on July 1, 2009, at 23:50:47
Wow 10der! You said it perfectly! Thanks for explaining things much better than me.
Posted by rskontos on July 2, 2009, at 11:43:12
In reply to the site agreement » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on July 1, 2009, at 23:50:47
10der,
I like what you wrote. I guess for me the truly upsetting thing is the statement that we have already agreed was baiting and I reacted like I did as a child who was often baited. Now whether he meant it that way or not, I cannot begin to understand how he sees the world because I don't really know Dr. Bob like say you for instance or other posters that through a lot of interaction on the board, I have learned to trust and respect your opinions.
I am not saying I don't respect or trust Dr. Bob because sometimes his posts are provocative at least they seem to be. To me he rarely answers a real question. He seems sometimes to play devil's advocate versus someone I could see as actually caring about me or my opinions. As deputies I think you get a glimpse behind the internet facade that I don't see.
I appreciate your thoughtful post. Today I am calmer due to my xanax being on board and I just got done exercising. (although this can change quickly)
But I still don't want to be tweeted. My biggest fear outside of recognition from IRL is to be excerpt like the newscasters or reporters do sometimes and takes a comment or thought or statement out of context and then the meaning behind it is lost.
again thanks
rsk
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