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Posted by myco on April 7, 2009, at 17:37:13
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 17:04:41
This is good wording. d/r also had some good wording. Logical advice and questions here.
So we have here some straight up logical easily dealt with questions that will the bring the board closer to an agreement.
I would like to see admin address each question thoroughly not vaguely not by throwing questions back and turning them around on the posters.
Issue number one...two...three....provide answers.
Example, from my own experience ok. A joke can and should be posted in any context, including "dirty" if the poster so chooses as long as the subject line indicates its potential to cause offence. I raised this point but it was not addressed at all...not even mentioned in his response. That is a logical easy to deal with question...how much more simple.
Both Jade and d/r had simple addressable issues as well nicely laid out and yet none were addressed accordingly...just spit back at the poster or completely ignored. How does that indicate to anyone that there is any cooperation available from admin?
It's all turned back around. Thats why I mentioned is it worth it. I agree fight to get people back sure and change the block rules to less time...I remember some poor poster, if memory is working, got blocked for a bizarre 52 weeks? lol I mean why...lol. And what was even more bizarre was some formula posted to calculate such a punishment. I dont know....i dont see that as logic myself but hey...
dont read me wrong posters...i am in defense of you but its not getting very far. time for alternative solutions ya know
my own passion to see something change keeps dragging me back into this debate lol
m
Posted by BayLeaf on April 7, 2009, at 20:48:34
In reply to Re: Blocks, posted by fayeroe on April 7, 2009, at 11:24:24
> You say, "maybe posters want me to "feel good". Previously, you said that some frustrated posters were "longing" for you.
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I probably missed something, but what I recall from the "longing" post, was less literal. I thought he was talking about triggering old longings for someone from our past. Like when Bob is missing from Babble, it might trigger me missing my mom/dad when they took off when I was a kid. I did not think he meant we were longing for him.
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:24:59
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 7, 2009, at 1:23:26
Dr. Bob, in my humble opinion around here change is at least administratively is non-existent.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
In reply to Re: Blocks, posted by BayLeaf on April 7, 2009, at 20:48:34
I like the new proposed rules basically. I think something is needed. Change.
And it Twinleaf I believe that was blocked for 52 weeks. I miss her. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
I think, in my humble opinion, when I was first here in 06 things weren't this bad. Blocking I mean.
And there was much more action on the boards. oh well,
I guess Dr. Bob did not know how not mess with a good thing.
rsk
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
In reply to Re:for what is worth,, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
> This debate has become divisive.
>
> Sigismund> > It seems not to be working this time...
>
> Of course its not going to work in this context-members are not going to police themselves using mob mentality tactics at your "direction". ... the situations are already tainted.
>
> garnet71I didn't mean to suggest mob mentality tactics. But I did suggest a direction. I wonder if following a suggestion of mine is seen as shameful. If that's how this is tainted. Maybe it's more important to resist me than to keep each other from being blocked.
> He can practice little tricks etc to ... see what he can get them to do or how they might react...in a way manipulate posters here for some purpose...perhaps just jollies or perhaps theres a plan. I dont know, I dont care either. Please dont give admin the satisfaction people.
>
> I have read many good examples here on how to fix things, at least partly, with logical simple ideas. But these arent addressed...its more fun to play and try to poke holes in those ideas.I did have a plan: to manipulate you into keeping Jade and Verne from being blocked. But it seems not to be working.
I suppose I feel posters aren't following up on my good ideas and posters feel I'm not following up on their good ideas. Like myco said before, a stalemate.
> Example, from my own experience ok. A joke can and should be posted in any context, including "dirty" if the poster so chooses as long as the subject line indicates its potential to cause offence. I raised this point but it was not addressed at all...not even mentioned in his response.
>
> mycoI did say:
> If you post it, a subject line that alerts others to the content does help.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20090331/msgs/889023.html
> I miss [Twinleaf]. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
>
> rskWould anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
Bob
Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
In reply to Re:for what is worth,, posted by rskontos on April 7, 2009, at 23:33:26
> And it Twinleaf I believe that was blocked for 52 weeks.
Twinleaf was blocked for 12 weeks on 2/25.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882365.html
>I miss HappyFlower,
Happychaitea was blocked for 14 weeks on 2/27.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882969.html
> Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
Zazenducke was blocked for 52 weeks on 2/26.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20081228/msgs/882715.html
Just wanted to clarify, and also post these because from time to time people who are missing fellow posters ask when blocks started, or when they will be up, so maybe this will be useful in that area.
-- 10der
Posted by zenhussy on April 8, 2009, at 2:22:53
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 2:54:11
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
>> Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
Yep, and it won't take much either.
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 4:17:02
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
Bob, have I got this right?
You are saying that if I really care about Jade and Verne's oncoming blocks, that is, if I want to show my care and concern, that I should approach them and advise them on the form their apology and rephrasing should take?
Posted by 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 4:19:44
In reply to Re: Current block lengths--how 'bout alexandra's?? (nm) » Deputy 10derHeart, posted by zenhussy on April 8, 2009, at 2:22:53
Sometime later this month, is my best understanding, but I don't have the exact date available to me. Or at least I can't find it.....
Thanks for asking :-) I will check with Dr. Bob and try to post something more definite if I can.
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2009, at 4:24:33
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2009, at 17:01:33
>Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably.
I tried to do that
>Encourage her to apologize.
No. That does strike me being a little like mob mentality.
This whole conversation and the subtexts, the feel and the assumptions and whatever else....this really sucks.
This is not bringing out the best in each other, not by a long shot.
So what is it?
Posted by seldomseen on April 8, 2009, at 7:16:56
In reply to Re: *********THE NEW RULE BOOK************, posted by JadeKelly on April 7, 2009, at 17:04:41
I have never been a go-between for Dr. Bob and posters on this forum. Everything I have posted here has been my thoughts. Sometimes I agree with Dr. Bob, sometimes I don't.
What I was referring to in my post was this sentence in your rule post.
"All this crazy punishing for how posters word something will end."
My contention is that how we word something can make a huge difference in how the post is interpreted.
Perhaps I would lobby for a more liberal use of the "please rephrase" rather than a PBC.
Of course I have babble friends that are blocked for various reasons.
I have no children, but we do share a condition among members of our family.
Sorry if there has been any misunderstanding.
Seldom.
Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 9:57:30
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
> > This debate has become divisive.
> >
> > Sigismund
>
> > > It seems not to be working this time...
> >
> > Of course its not going to work in this context-members are not going to police themselves using mob mentality tactics at your "direction". ... the situations are already tainted.
> >
> > garnet71
>
> I didn't mean to suggest mob mentality tactics. But I did suggest a direction. I wonder if following a suggestion of mine is seen as shameful. If that's how this is tainted.If I had a dollar for every time I've read something that you've written and thought "are you kidding me?" I'd be in Mexico drinking dos equs and instructing my cabana boy to buy more limes.
Bob, this isn't about YOU! I, for one, would be happy if you didn't come post unless you were going to INTERACT with the people who need to hear from you.
Where do you come up with thinking that we would feel "shameful" if we follow your suggestions? What if we don't think your ideas are worth following? Does that taint things? I am speaking for myself..maybe 1-1/2 others.
Maybe it's more important to resist me than to keep each other from being blocked.Do you have the sheet music to "it has to be me"? You're gonna ride that idea right into the ground, aren't you? Again, it is more important to me to have the site go smoothly than having you here and especially when it is all about you.
>
> > He can practice little tricks etc to ... see what he can get them to do or how they might react...in a way manipulate posters here for some purpose...perhaps just jollies or perhaps theres a plan. I dont know, I dont care either. Please dont give admin the satisfaction people.I appreciate your message in that Bob does things to upset posters and I agree with you. However today....he is so full of it that I'm having my say.
> >
> > I have read many good examples here on how to fix things, at least partly, with logical simple ideas. But these arent addressed...its more fun to play and try to poke holes in those ideas.>
> I did have a plan: to manipulate you into keeping Jade and Verne from being blocked. But it seems not to be working.Bob, would you be happier if you had a monitor full of little faces that giggled and cooed and obeyed you?
You are the master manipulator but I can't see anyone falling for this one.
>
> I suppose I feel posters aren't following up on my good ideas and posters feel I'm not following up on their good ideas. Like myco said before, a stalemate.Bob, which do you feel is your best idea?
This isn't about being a stalemate. That would mean that you and the posters were operating in something like a 5o/50 zone. If I believed that, I'd have to ask myself "what have I been smoking?"
It is going to be Bob's way or the highway...but..you have people who won't do either. Won't do it your way and won't leave.
>
> >
> > I miss [Twinleaf]. I miss HappyFlower, I miss so many I can't name all for fear of forgetting some. Zaze, she almost always comes back and then wham Bob will block her again. I hate that.
> >
> > rskI wonder why Bob is so reluctant to have Zaze here? Why don't you tell us, Bob?
>
> Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity..."You gotta be kidding me"!
>
Fayeroe
Posted by myco on April 8, 2009, at 11:30:04
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
I address this to Bob but I'd like all here to consider it:
I have an idea to who ever is willing to listen and consider it seriously.
It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this (lol dont laugh until youve actually thought about it ok)...
A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd...seriously. whats the point...to punish? nah, not at that degree....thats more a ban in hopes the person will just go away. A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
At least its a starting point ya? Something to take things to step 2. I, like many of you, are tiring of this issue and IT IS OLD. Lets make a valient attempt to put it to rest ok.
myco
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Posted by fayeroe on April 8, 2009, at 15:07:26
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
Talking about the "upcoming"? block of Jade and Verne on this board reminds me of a song. Don Henley raged about the media, on his single effort and a question in it reminds me of "is the head dead yet?".....anything to get ratings? (attention)
Posted by muffled on April 8, 2009, at 16:36:16
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 6, 2009, at 17:01:33
Sigh....wished I knew the answers....
but just one thing I noticed, is Bob keep saying support each other....and we do...to the extent which we can.and we keep trying to explain to Bob, that the blocks are very harmful.....
and he says be supportive, and we say blocks too ling
and he says help each other. and we say blocks hurt.
I getting dizzy.
I stay away from here. Have to.
Miss my friends.
But just can't handle the blocks.
Dunno what you gonna do Bob....
Dunno what babblers gonna do....
Guess people gonna have to do whats best for them.
FWIW, I think Bob means well....or else he REALLY messed up....
Sad.
Just hope alla us can remember that we all human, we all hurt.
We all worthy of respect.
sigh...
and muffled got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
Goto go set trap.
I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
YUK.
Take care all.
Bye.
Muffled
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:22:55
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
>>>Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...Bob>>>>
Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. To be their whatever buddy it was called. I don't think either of them need a buddy. I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.
Dr. Bob it really pains me that you asked that question. Is that civil?
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:24:42
In reply to Current block lengths » rskontos, posted by Deputy 10derHeart on April 8, 2009, at 1:29:42
But it does matter to me when posters are blocked. I miss them and I know how bad I would feel if blocked. It is often why I stay out of discussions.
Thanks for the clarification. My bad.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2009, at 1:04:53
I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
But I would MISS them.
rsk
Posted by fayeroe on April 9, 2009, at 9:35:15
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by rskontos on April 8, 2009, at 20:27:28
> Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
"You gotta be kidding me"!
>
FayeroeMaybe I can be more clear, Bob, this time. I was appalled that you asked that question. I thought it was rude, flippant and thoughtless of you to say it.
I don't think that you worry too much about these people and that makes the question so much worse.
Fayeroe
Posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
In reply to Re: an opportunity » Dr. Bob, posted by myco on April 8, 2009, at 11:30:04
Everyone...lets start talking logical ways to solve this issue ok. Attacks and things - I understand the way people feel but... - can't wait? Let us begin to address particular solutions towards a resolution.
Would I miss so-and-so? Is that the point? no it's not. I dont find much of which most people post as partulary offensive. But Bob, you did ask the question or create "the opportunity" for us to help certain people. You and admin have your position on this so we will be open to give you ours is you can ACCEPT (and actually use - meaning go through with the recommendations, as in write them into "law" to end this dispute). Let's actually solve this...write solutions into civil policy
You mentioned to me, personally, that a subject indicating a potentially offensive joke can be helpful for those who may take offense....YET i've seens no firm agreement from you that this is acceptable and will result in "immunity" from warnings/blocks.....we talk and talk but you dont actually act. This issue, the subject line for jokes, was right in front of your nose....I'd like to hear you actually say yes that is acceptable (since you agreed) and will result in immunity. Thats so easy to do....how come it hasnt been done? Baby steps...please
Myco
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> I address this to Bob but I'd like all here to consider it:
>
> I have an idea to who ever is willing to listen and consider it seriously.
>
> It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this (lol dont laugh until youve actually thought about it ok)...
>
> A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd...seriously. whats the point...to punish? nah, not at that degree....thats more a ban in hopes the person will just go away. A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
>
> At least its a starting point ya? Something to take things to step 2. I, like many of you, are tiring of this issue and IT IS OLD. Lets make a valient attempt to put it to rest ok.
>
> myco
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>
Posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:37:00
In reply to Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
Myco,
Unfortunately, with Dr. Bob and changes in the way the website is governed haven't ever gone our way as the posters at this site.
I am not sure Dr. Bob values anyone's else's (how is that for grammar mistakes)logic except his own and the deputies of course. I have seen this argument over and over again, with the same outcome. Nada zip nothing changed.
So good luck with your suggestions, I admire you for trying.
For Dr Bob to ask would we miss Jade and Verne well I think he shows by that question how expendable we all are to him. JMHO
take care
rsk
I usually don't engage this much regarding these questions on this subject but I wanted to support those of you who are trying.
Posted by myco on April 11, 2009, at 11:26:53
In reply to Re: Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by rskontos on April 11, 2009, at 9:37:00
hey,
Ya it's obvious that he wants people here to "work out" issues on their own without admin involvement in deciding on said issues.
He has no intention of changing anything regarding civil of course. Whats the old saying/cliche "when we're in my house, we will play by my rules".
Plus he doesnt need to change anything...such a high turnover here that "the troublemakers" will move on at some point...this debate my flare up now and then and he may issue more "leniency" for a short time until things calm down then back to same old game.
All I was doing was putting things as logically and simple as I could to see if the admin would actually address, thoroughly, the issues and work toward an agreement because the issues were put clearly enough to make a decision relatively easy.
My hunch had always been their is no passion in admin (in how they handled themselves and adapted to users) and also that would never take the opportunity to address anything thoroughly towards an end point. So putting it so simple and making it so easy for them to "pitch in" allowed me to see just how little care would actually be taken.
It was more of an exercise to see what would actually happen if we came together and presented well thought out arguments that were logical and easy to solve....so hypothesis confirmed. they dont care enough to change anything..."the game" has fixed rules for us to "adapt" to. It's not plastic.
Therefor, as much as it sucks, put it to rest...although I know that some "guerilla warfare" will continue....but hes used to that. What king wouldnt fight to protect his castle.
m
---------> Myco,
>
> Unfortunately, with Dr. Bob and changes in the way the website is governed haven't ever gone our way as the posters at this site.
>
> I am not sure Dr. Bob values anyone's else's (how is that for grammar mistakes)logic except his own and the deputies of course. I have seen this argument over and over again, with the same outcome. Nada zip nothing changed.
>
> So good luck with your suggestions, I admire you for trying.
>
> For Dr Bob to ask would we miss Jade and Verne well I think he shows by that question how expendable we all are to him. JMHO
>
> take care
>
> rsk
>
> I usually don't engage this much regarding these questions on this subject but I wanted to support those of you who are trying.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
In reply to Jury System mentioned earlier - please address » myco, posted by myco on April 9, 2009, at 10:26:36
> > Would anyone miss Jade? Would anyone miss Verne? If so, this is an opportunity...
>
> Of course we would miss them. I don't understand what the heck the opportunity is. ... I don't really think they have been out of line myself. But that is my humble opinion such as it is.> I can also see how it might get the poster trying to help them blocked. It seems like an opportunity could turn out to ban more than just those you are singling out.
>
> I don't know I just get uncomfortable about this.
>
> But I would MISS them.
>
> rskSorry about not being more clear about what opportunity I had in mind. I think I see what you mean, supporting them by posting something else uncivil could get the supporter blocked, too, but that wasn't the kind of support I had in mind:
> Would any of you be willing to try this out?
>
> Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably. Encourage her to apologize. Help her avoid being blocked.http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20090302/msgs/889029.html
Sigismund did follow up on that:
> Bob, have I got this right?
>
> You are saying that if I really care about Jade and Verne's oncoming blocks, that is, if I want to show my care and concern, that I should approach them and advise them on the form their apology and rephrasing should take?I think just about any apology would be a step toward working things out. I wouldn't see the form as critical.
> > Show Jade how she might interpret things more charitably.
>
> I tried to do that
>
> > Encourage her to apologize.
>
> No. That does strike me being a little like mob mentality.
>
> This whole conversation and the subtexts, the feel and the assumptions and whatever else....this really sucks.
>
> This is not bringing out the best in each other, not by a long shot.
>
> So what is it?
>
> SigismundThanks for trying. Seldom, I appreciate your volunteering to help, too.
I wonder about mob mentality. I did mean "encourage" and not "harass" or "pressure". Though I guess encouragement from a mob could be experienced as pressure. But there's hardly a mob doing that here. If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging them to apologize might be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd".
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> Where do you come up with thinking that we would feel "shameful" if we follow your suggestions? What if we don't think your ideas are worth following? Does that taint things?
>
> FayeroeVerne brought up shame, so I've been wondering what role it might be playing here.
That's a good point, reasonable people can disagree, and particular posters might feel changes in policies that affect everyone are more important than helping two particular posters to avoid being blocked.
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> You mentioned to me, personally, that a subject indicating a potentially offensive joke can be helpful for those who may take offense....YET i've seens no firm agreement from you that this is acceptable and will result in "immunity" from warnings/blocks.....we talk and talk but you dont actually act. This issue, the subject line for jokes, was right in front of your nose....I'd like to hear you actually say yes that is acceptable (since you agreed) and will result in immunity. Thats so easy to do....how come it hasnt been done? Baby steps...please
>
> MycoSorry, but I don't think it should necessarily result in immunity, because certain jokes may be so offensive that it's better if they're not posted at all.
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> It may seems silly but considering this stalemate is made up of various opinions on both sides why not this...
>
> A court or trial by jury system made up of posters and participants from the admin side who will both look at someones post and consider it from various angles/perceptions for how it may be taken. A quick lil vote, so to speak. Of course youd have to take into account any inherant bias in such a system but i'm sure we could put something together ya know. At least in serious cases here ya know. I think something like a 52 week block is absurd... ... A case like that should definately be considered from both sides.
>
> myco52 weeks is definitely a long time, so some sort of extra process might make sense, but I do think inherent bias would be significant, since supporting other posters is such a value here.
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> muffled got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
> Goto go set trap.
> I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
> YUK.
>
> MuffledIt can be hard when you want to be accepting, but have to draw the line!
Bob
Posted by JadeKelly on April 11, 2009, at 22:02:48
In reply to Re: an opportunity, posted by Dr. Bob on April 11, 2009, at 13:21:43
[this page posted jk/stdbpb/ppoumu] 4/11/09
If anything, it seems to me *not* encouraging [jade and verne] to apologize might
be more consistent with individuals seeking safety in this "herd". -Dr Robert Hsiung-4/11/09
Um, doctor bobby? Did you just call the people on your site "this herd"?Ya see, the thing is, bob, I have always been told how emotionally intelligent I
am. And right now, my intelligence gathering tells me that I have been right
about you, and your administration. You're not the the only one who can conduct a
study, bob. I'm just a little more discreet. You are a very sick man. You need help.I think the wonderful people on this site can interpret that first remark for themselves.
"That's a good point, reasonable people can disagree, and particular posters might feel changes in policies that affect everyone {are more important than helping two particular posters to avoid being blocked}"-bob 4/11/09
bobby, your beatin a dead horse here. We all get it. No one feels guilty, no one feels ashamed, and no one feels abandoned by their friends. ( A+ for effort tho)
Dr Robert Hsiung, MD 4/11/09, quoting a a recent post-
> [poster] got a damn RAT in her attic....argh...I can hear it. HATE rats.
> Goto go set trap.
> I like alla Gods creatures, but not when they cr*pp*ng in my attuc.
> YUK.
>
> [poster]
It can be hard when you want to be accepting, but have to draw the line!Bob
Thats right bob. I got all up in your attic and just cr*pp*d all over the place.
Hows it feel bob? Didn't see it coming? You are an abuser and you are abusing people on this sight. I will be analyzing lots of material, bob. It will take some time.
Mean while, I will be watching. Just because its your castle, sandbox, or whatever, does not mean you get a pass on keeping your oath. Remember
that bob? "Cause no harm"? You have caused much emotional harm bob. Apologize to these decent, some fragile, posters. Get yourself together. And I will expect that things are really gonna change for the better.Regards,
~JadeKelly the Biggest Rat of All
[poster jadekelly] 4/11/09
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