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Posted by Racer on May 10, 2007, at 12:05:27
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by notfred on May 10, 2007, at 11:30:05
>> T have noticed the "notify the admins" function gets is not always
> delt with in a timely manner. (there are some cases where I could see why the admins & Dr Bob
> may resonably choose not to respond, due to volume.)
>NotFred, just to make it clear: when we -- the deputies -- get a notification, we can only respond if someone has babblemail on. We don't have access to any email addresses, only Dr Bob has those. Therefore, if someone notifies us who does not have babblemail on, we can't respond to say, "Here's our decision on this one..."
It's not that we don't read and make decisions on every one of the notifications, and in a timely manner. It's just that, if we don't take immediate action for some reason -- whether because we think something's OK, or because we're still discussing it amongst ourselves or waiting for Dr Bob to make a final determination -- there's no way for us to inform the notifier about it.
You know I like you -- and not only because of your name ;-) -- and I don't want you to think your concerns were ignored.
Peace.
Posted by karen_kay on May 10, 2007, at 12:12:38
In reply to More Sniping, posted by verne on May 10, 2007, at 11:48:01
i'm everything that's right with this site!
why not find what's right with the site instead?
how can i chase you if you're gone dear?
gosh, i was just starting to get the hang of you....
:( (notice the sad smiley face? i'm really making one)
Posted by Racer on May 10, 2007, at 12:14:32
In reply to More Sniping, posted by verne on May 10, 2007, at 11:48:01
>
> Gardengirl is one of the most defensive, retaliatory, and vindictive posters I've ever encountered. She knows how to get in her little digs and still be *civil*. She epitomizes what's wrong with this site.
>Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. You just got back from one block, and this post is clearly uncivil towards an individual poster, so I will let Dr Bob set the length of this block.
If you have any questions, please check the FAQ, at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil Any follow ups to this action should themselves be civil.
Racer, acting as deputy to Dr Bob
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:03:35
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » Dinah, posted by greywolf on May 10, 2007, at 10:45:26
> All I'm saying is that the heartfelt criticisms of Dr. Bob's administration of this site could have been stated without the personal attacks, and that the deputies could have addressed the personal attacks without undermining the main message.
Thanks for expressing your thoughts about this complex situation. I'm still rather naively shocked about all the responses, but that may be in part because I'm caught up in enjoying feeling as if I'm running barefoot on cool green grass under a blue blue sky, spinning around with arms outflung and laughing with joy at my feeling of freedom. I'm also shocked that taking a leave as deputy would feel like that. But I digress...
At any rate, I agree with you that it's usually more constructive and definitely more positive to state concerns without attacking. But when multiple and varied attempts to express needs and get them met fail, using an approach that is louder and more abrasive becomes more appealing, if not irresistible, even when it's not the most well-behaved approach. Whether the message actually influences change or not, I know it had an impact and was heard. That's what I needed.
>
> In any event, I still appreciate all of the deputies' efforts to make this a quality site.Thanks.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:10:01
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on May 10, 2007, at 10:48:02
There's always rebooting. :)
gg
Posted by madeline on May 10, 2007, at 17:16:33
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » greywolf, posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:03:35
Yeah, there have been lots of times that a lot of us would've wanted to take a louder, more abrasive approach to unfair things here on babble.
But we don't, because we would be blocked or pbc'd. So we continue to try to abide by the rules.
It would be nice to feel that freedom feeling too.
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:39:46
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » zenhussy, posted by Dinah on May 10, 2007, at 11:03:37
> It simply has to do with personal freedom, not disregard of rules.
That's a good way to put it, Dinah. Thanks for clarifying this. It's how I feel, too. My not giving a hoot about any potential consequences of my post, and by that I mean administrative action, is about my own personal reaction, not about the board or policies in general. I'm enjoying feeling increased freedom to choose my actions and accept the consequences without the burden of interpreting said consequences in ways that injure or otherwise adversely affect my sense of self. I guess you could say I'm enjoying having a stronger ego, one less sensitive to external input and more resilient.
So it's not that I would discount or invalidate any consequences should they present, but rather it's that I don't attach the meaning to them (in theory) that I used to.
Boy, this is a hard state to describe. No wonder my T isn't quite getting it either.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:49:28
In reply to Re: perhaps, more importantly -, posted by one woman cine on May 10, 2007, at 11:13:19
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> Why was she prevented from articulating this previously? (rhetorical question - don't answer, please)I know you said this was rhetorical, and I know you're talking about more than just my post. I just wanted to toss in here that feeling as if it would be "bad to tell" is at least as much my own stuff as it is the culture. I was brought up to be a "good girl", and those childhood messages have become part of the mixed nuts of me. :)
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:55:34
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by madeline on May 10, 2007, at 17:16:33
> Yeah, there have been lots of times that a lot of us would've wanted to take a louder, more abrasive approach to unfair things here on babble.
>
> But we don't, because we would be blocked or pbc'd. So we continue to try to abide by the rules.So you choose not to because the potential consequence of doing so, i.e. a block or PBC, seems more aversive than any benefit gained from making the post?
>
> It would be nice to feel that freedom feeling too.As long as someone accepts that they could be blocked or PBC'd, they are certainly free to post freely. So in that respect, we're all free.
But I suspect that's not what you meant.
gg
Posted by madeline on May 10, 2007, at 21:29:20
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » madeline, posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:55:34
Well, I guess we all could just post anything and accept the consequences.
Although I'm not sure how supportive or educational that would be.
Is this one of those "when in rome" type situations?
Posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 23:10:41
In reply to Re: Ok to be uncivil to Dr. Bob? » gardenergirl, posted by madeline on May 10, 2007, at 21:29:20
> Well, I guess we all could just post anything and accept the consequences.
Yes.
>
> Although I'm not sure how supportive or educational that would be.I would think not very much of either.
>
> Is this one of those "when in rome" type situations?I'm not sure what you mean.
gg
Posted by one woman cine on May 11, 2007, at 7:41:17
In reply to Re: perhaps, more importantly - » one woman cine, posted by gardenergirl on May 10, 2007, at 17:49:28
> >
> > Why was she prevented from articulating this previously? (rhetorical question - don't answer, please)
>
> I know you said this was rhetorical, and I know you're talking about more than just my post. I just wanted to toss in here that feeling as if it would be "bad to tell" is at least as much my own stuff as it is the culture. I was brought up to be a "good girl", and those childhood messages have become part of the mixed nuts of me. :)
>
> gg
>
Ah yes, of course. I guess that's the point. Maybe it's self-selection too. I think the whole idea about culture is that they are shared beliefs systems - otherwise - one would not take part in a community - one would just leave/not participate.
Posted by AuntieMel on May 11, 2007, at 11:09:52
In reply to Re: Surveys, and names, and I statements, Oh my!, posted by notfred on May 10, 2007, at 11:30:05
"noticed the "notify the admins" function gets is not always delt with in a timely manner"
I'm glad you brought this up.
There have been many times (not saying that this applies to anything you may or may not have reported) when we decide that there is no technical violation of the rules.
But the only way we have to contact people is by either posting on the board or by babblemail.
Posting is not a good option. How would you like it if someone, out of the blue, said "notfred's post is civil" Wouldn't that make you think someone reported you - and wouldn't you start wondering who?
And - some people don't have babblemail turned on.
So - they go unanswered.
BUT - sometimes they should be acted on and get overlooked due to load. And in that case it would be good if we got a reminder.
Access to email addresses is just one of those "tools" only Dr. Bob has exclusive access to.
Posted by AuntieMel on May 11, 2007, at 11:11:28
In reply to Small explanation of one thing » notfred, posted by Racer on May 10, 2007, at 12:05:27
Sorry - I didn't see Racer already answered this.
I'll crawl back in my hole now.....
Posted by scratchpad on May 11, 2007, at 14:59:08
In reply to Re: Oops - notfred, posted by AuntieMel on May 11, 2007, at 11:11:28
> Sorry - I didn't see Racer already answered this.
>
> I'll crawl back in my hole now.....Oh, no you don't!! Here's a pair of sunglasses for the glare. Please set and stay a while. (My favourite line from the Beverly Hillbillies, if somewhat mangled.)
Scratchpad
Posted by Fallen4MyT on May 11, 2007, at 23:38:08
In reply to Deputy action on this thread, posted by Racer on May 9, 2007, at 18:29:34
> Since I've seen it come up in a couple of posts, I'll share with you *why* I have opted *not* to offer any official correction to this thread. It's pretty simple:
>
> Dr Bob has made it pretty clear, at least to deputies, that he has somewhat more lenient standards of civility when it comes to criticism directed at him. That being the case, and this one falling short of what I would consider blatant incivility, I chose to leave this for Dr Bob to address himself.
>
> I speak only for myself, not for any fellow deputies. I'm not sure whether this is a communication from Racer the Deputy, or Racer the Poster, so I won't try to figure that part out.
>
> I would like to mention, though, that if I see anything blatantly uncivil, in this thread or any other directed towards Dr Bob, I will take action. This isn't open season here, so no big guns. You can take photographs, though, which is how I see this one...Racer could you please explain this so that I may understand what you mean by " > I would like to mention, though, that if I see anything blatantly uncivil, in this thread or any other directed towards Dr Bob, I will take action."
What WOULD be blantantly uncivil ?
Posted by Fallen4MyT on May 11, 2007, at 23:41:19
In reply to Re: Deputy action on this thread » Racer, posted by henrietta on May 9, 2007, at 20:31:23
I cannot address your post above but will say if you have concerns about this I believe you are suppose to EMAIL your concerns about deputies. I always lose that thread but thats my understanding
Posted by Fallen4MyT on May 11, 2007, at 23:43:53
In reply to More Sniping, posted by verne on May 10, 2007, at 11:48:01
Sorry you are leaving. In case you did not know Dr Bob has asked that when we have issues with a deputy that we EMAIL him. I am sorry you will be gone I hope you change your mind
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20070423/msgs/757229.html
>
> Gardengirl writes in reponse to Henrietta's thoughtful post,
>
> "Was that actually easier to type than whatsername's actual name, whoever whatsername might be? Please, don't put yourself out dear. Use whatever epithets (as in Merriam-Webster's definition 1a) you find easiest."
>
> Henrietta is blocked, yet Gardengirl's sniping is given a free pass?
>
> Gardengirl is one of the most defensive, retaliatory, and vindictive posters I've ever encountered. She knows how to get in her little digs and still be *civil*. She epitomizes what's wrong with this site.
>
> I'm leaving this site for good. By the way, Henrietta, your post was right on the mark.
>
> Verne
Posted by fayeroe on May 12, 2007, at 9:48:07
In reply to Re: More Sniping/ VERNE I will miss you :*(, posted by Fallen4MyT on May 11, 2007, at 23:43:53
the chickens have finally come home to roost. and Verne nailed it.
even though i know they volunteered, i think they've been treated badly (but i don;t think any of them never knew how he was treating them) and i also say that they got by with sniping and snarky **** and another okie/texas saying is "til the cows come home". the cows are home and so are the chickens.
if it appears that i'm all over the map with this. i am. my SIL just woke me up to argue with me about a bull that we owned before he was born.......
so, i never think clearly when i'm fully awake but i just had to say this.
the prisons in Texas aren't run by the prisoners, neither should support sites be........
Posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 10:01:59
In reply to Re: More Sniping/ VERNE I will miss you :*( » Fallen4MyT, posted by fayeroe on May 12, 2007, at 9:48:07
> even though i know they volunteered, i think they've been treated badly (but i don;t think any of them never knew how he was treating them) and i also say that they got by with sniping and snarky ****
You've been asked before to be civil, so I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 10:09:07
In reply to Re: More Sniping/ VERNE I will miss you :*(, posted by Fallen4MyT on May 11, 2007, at 23:43:53
From the FAQ
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Please note last line about quoting others.
> Please don't be sarcastic, treat injury or death lightly, suggest that others harm (or use this site to exchange information that could be used to harm) themselves or others, jump to conclusions about others, post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, harass or pressure others, use language that could offend others, disclose without permission information that identifies or private communications from another poster, post information that you know to be false, exaggerate or overgeneralize -- etc. *Even if you're quoting someone else.* (emphasis mine)
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob.
Posted by sdb on May 12, 2007, at 17:46:21
In reply to Please follow site guidelines » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 10:09:07
In this thread I posted twice. One post disappeared.
Bob, if you deleted that without notification I consider your action as very questionable and this does not comply with any "ethical" rules. It is alarming if somebody claims rules of civility for people but there are none of them who claims. Furthermore there was no uncivil content in that post. I would like to hear at least a why. If there is no explanation I will terminate my membership here.warm regards
sdb
Posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 17:50:33
In reply to Re: deleting posts without notification }} bob, posted by sdb on May 12, 2007, at 17:46:21
I believe Dr. Bob deleted some posts made by someone posting while blocked. When he does that, he usually deletes replies to the blocked poster as well, because leaving them up would lead to confusion.
I've lost some excellent posts that way myself, and it is a bit annoying. But I understand the reasoning behind Dr. Bob's decision.
Dinah
Posted by sdb on May 12, 2007, at 18:04:17
In reply to Re: deleting posts without notification }} bob » sdb, posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 17:50:33
> I believe Dr. Bob deleted some posts made by someone posting while blocked. When he does that, he usually deletes replies to the blocked poster as well, because leaving them up would lead to confusion.
>
> I've lost some excellent posts that way myself, and it is a bit annoying. But I understand the reasoning behind Dr. Bob's decision.
>
> DinahThanks for your input, Dinah. If it is so, there should be a notification that this can happen.
sdb
Posted by Fallen4MyT on May 12, 2007, at 18:09:53
In reply to Please follow site guidelines » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dinah on May 12, 2007, at 10:09:07
Oops sorry I didn't even know I hit the quote area
I will report my note to Verne.
Sorry you are leaving. In case you did not know Dr Bob has asked that when we have issues with a deputy that we EMAIL him. I am sorry you will be gone I hope you change your mind
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