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Posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:16:01
In reply to Re: Being charitable » Dinah, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:00:27
He does care.
And to be fair to him, this was a consensus compromise from his original plan. So I guess you could say that we all did agree to this, in the sense that this was the compromise.
I guess I no longer think in terms of absolutes here. I think in terms of getting things as good as I can get them. Which would be this. And would be the xxxx'ng out of names in the post at the source of controversy now.
Except we really didn't know Dr. Bob didn't tell them.
And I really did tell him I thought it was unfair to announce it before the very end. I just accepted that he thought this was better for Babble and that if his heart was set on it, it was set on it.
I think he was focusing on the other end. On trying to allow more input in the choosing of deputies. On going more in the direction of democracy here, by allowing input from the very beginning.
His motives were good, I'm sure. I think he was just thinking of the board, and of the benefits of involving the board more, and he gave credit to the board that it wouldn't end up a popularity contest. And gave credit to the deputy candidates that they could tolerate the stress.
So, I can't really say that it wasn't the consensus agreement. But you can still give us credit for moderating the original plan to this. :)
Posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:20:26
In reply to Re: Being charitable » special_k, posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:16:01
Not that I'm claiming to know for sure what Dr. Bob thinks. Because I don't. I guess I make a lot of assumptions that may or may not be true.
Oh, isch. I'm putting my foot in my mouth more and more.
I just didn't want anyone to think I thought this was a brilliant idea, but then I realized that I had given the impression that we hadn't reached a consensus, then I tried to correct that, but really...
I should have just kept my mouth shut.
Sorry Dr. Bob.
I really need to learn to work on not trying to explain myself.
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:36:05
In reply to Re: Being charitable » Dinah, posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:20:26
sure
the method of delivery.
that was my bugbear.
the he didn't tell them beforehand that there had been three volounteers. that he wanted to post that to the boards because he wanted to get posters feedback. then he was planning on having a training process and taking the feedback into account which would result in his selecting two deputies and one person would be deselected or whatever.
my point is that he didn't tell them this was how it was going to be BEFORE posting it to the boards.
how do i know this?
because i said 'i hope you told them and they agreed'
and they jumped in and went 'yeah ok so thanks for telling us like that'
so...
whatever.
being charitable... i don't think he does think.
being charitable... i don't think he understands how much things like this can really hurt
and how it isn't hard to avoid the hurt.
doesn't take very long.
isn't so hard.but he doesn't really give a sh*t.
and this happens over and over and over...
and if he got blocked for this kind of thoughtlessness...
how many weeks would he be on now?
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:55:37
In reply to SLAM DUNK!!!! :-) (nm) » special_k, posted by muffled on March 31, 2006, at 19:04:52
Posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:56:26
In reply to Re: Being charitable, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:36:05
I really think he tries.
And I really think I'm overmedicated and in probably no fit state to post.
Posted by 10derHeart on March 31, 2006, at 20:08:47
In reply to Re: Being charitable, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 19:36:05
>>and they jumped in and went 'yeah ok so thanks for telling us like that'<<
Hmmm, I don't think that's quite the tone I projected up in that thread. At least I didn't mean to. More like quite a bit of surprise, but little, if any, upset. I've moved way beyond it now. In fact, I think it took about 24 hours to get there, with some help from a friend. Not too big of a deal.
I'm really okay with how everything is going. I wasn't looking for the ideal here, so maybe my expectations weren't way up there. And to add another little bit, really I *did* know there could be xx (any number from 0 to ??) volunteers way back 2 months ago, and Dr. Bob's original post clearly said he could only add 2 deputies this year. So, if I just put those together, if more than 2 volunteered, some wouldn't be able to go on after the certain point. Dinah reminded me recently of a message I'd utterly forgotten about (see Dinah, your memory isn't so very bad).
I know - your problem is still with the later lack of personal heads-up from Dr. Bob after he knew the total was three, and the delivery method here on the board. I do hear that and I get how you're viewing it, based on all you've seen in the past. I guess in a way, I'm a terrible judge as I've never been blocked or hurt in any other way by Dr. Bob.
I just want to say, for the record one last time, for me it wasn't so very awful. Not perfect and a surprise, but hey, that's a good description of Babble imitating every day life. Also, maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, or very warped in the eyes of some, but sure, I *would* have accepted this process if it was explained explicitly, step-by-step to me first. I feel I will be able to deal with whatever may happen. The deputy training can do nothing but help me gain understanding as a poster, so I se it as a win-win whatever happens.
I suppose I'm quite used to being evaluated from 20+ years in the Air Force. No, it never feels 'nice' but one does adapt and move on from these kinds of selections and non-selections. I've had plenty of the latter :-)
I need to be quiet now.
((Dr. Bob))
((special k))
((Dinah))
((deputies))
((deputy candidates))
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 20:10:17
In reply to Re: Being charitable » special_k, posted by Dinah on March 31, 2006, at 19:56:26
> I really think he tries.
i don't know what to think.
i really don't know what to think any more.doesn't he notice?
or doesn't he think people might be likely to feel hurt?
or doesn't he think people migh tbe likely to feel really really really really hurt?
or does he think people need to learn to toughen up anyway?
what on earth does he think?
this is what i'm struggling with.
i don't understand what the f*ck is going on
and why this kind of thing happens... over and over and over.and he doesn't seem to learn.
and i guess my point is that if he doesn't appreciate that people are likely to feel hurt...
how would he feel if he got blocked each time he failed to appreciate that?
what length blocks would he be on now?
i don't understand :-(
i don't undersatnd :-(
Posted by muffled on March 31, 2006, at 21:10:15
In reply to Re: Being charitable, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 20:10:17
but maybe your getting wound up, like I do.
Maybe walk away a bit.
I've had it myself.
I've begged and pleaded via e-mail to Dr. Bob. He never even answered......
I don't understand either, and apparently he doesn't feel the need to let us know.
Just like God doesn't tell all.
Bob, the all powerful.
:-(
I'm just seeing what happens re: the jyl situation. Then I'm gone........
:(
:(
Take care.
Muffled
Posted by Deneb on March 31, 2006, at 21:59:47
In reply to Re: Being charitable, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 20:10:17
> doesn't he notice?
>
> or doesn't he think people might be likely to feel hurt?
>
> or doesn't he think people migh tbe likely to feel really really really really hurt?
>
> or does he think people need to learn to toughen up anyway?Personally I think (this is just a wild theory I got from some others), that Dr. Bob might have a mild form of a*****. (It's okay Bob, I still like you even if you may have a mild form of a*****.) OTOH, you probably don't care much if people like you or not if you do indeed have a mild form of a*****.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions about Dr. Bob here, it's all just pure speculation...that Dr. Bob has a mild disorder...just like most of us. :-)
Deneb*
Posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 23:10:36
In reply to Re: Being charitable » special_k, posted by Deneb on March 31, 2006, at 21:59:47
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.
i've heard this theory...
i dunno.
i remember the skills trainers at DBT group used to have trouble appreciating our likely emotional responses (likely in my opinion)
linehan talks (rather a lot) about 'borderline logic'... but i'm not sure that that quite captured it either.
i dunno.
i dunno.
:-(
:-(
:-(you okay dr bob?
we miss you can you tell?
Posted by Deneb on April 1, 2006, at 13:14:51
In reply to Re: Being charitable, posted by special_k on March 31, 2006, at 23:10:36
> you okay dr bob?
>
> we miss you can you tell?I miss you too Dr. Bob. {{{{{{Dr. Bob}}}}}}
But, I love you just the way you are. :-)
Deneb*
Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 8:23:40
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by Dr. Bob on March 28, 2006, at 9:35:01
>I'm delighted to report that we have 3 volunteers: ClearSkies, Racer, and 10derHeart.
All three are great people and can each bring excellent individual qualities. IMHO, all three should get the job.
Auntie Mel, gg and Dinah, plus the above three.
Brilliant choice.
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Posted by gardenergirl on April 2, 2006, at 8:59:09
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 8:23:40
I have to admit, given that there is no pay involved, I do wonder why five is better than six deputies at this time.
And I agree, the three volunteers are all great!
gg
Posted by 10derHeart on April 2, 2006, at 14:37:49
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 8:23:40
Thanks for the vote of confidence and kind words :-)
Posted by 10derHeart on April 2, 2006, at 14:44:55
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by gardenergirl on April 2, 2006, at 8:59:09
Posted by Phillipa on April 2, 2006, at 14:48:49
In reply to thanks, gg, right back atcha :-) (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by 10derHeart on April 2, 2006, at 14:44:55
I still say if it's volunteer why not have a deputy to cover the areas of their expertise. Not to say the others have any less expertise. But you do find posts from the aforementioned candidates on different boards. Not all the time but a lot of the time. Love Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on April 2, 2006, at 15:42:11
In reply to Re: thanks, gg, right back atcha :-), posted by Phillipa on April 2, 2006, at 14:48:49
I hope we're all experts on civility, and that's all deputies do. I think the idea is that it's best to have someone on board to handle things quickly. So while I might not ordinarily read meds, if something happens there and I get notified, I can go there and take care of it. And if someone else is around, they can get there first.
When Dr. Bob gets the notification button, it should really help for boards that any particular deputy might not read all the time.
Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 18:22:03
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by gardenergirl on April 2, 2006, at 8:59:09
>I have to admit, given that there is no pay involved, I do wonder why five is better than six deputies at this time.
Thats a good point, many hands make light work :-)
(I'm just waiting now for someone to mention cooks and a broth...;)~
Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 18:23:06
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators » Sobriquet Style, posted by 10derHeart on April 2, 2006, at 14:37:49
Posted by AuntieMel on April 3, 2006, at 9:20:18
In reply to Re: thanks, gg, right back atcha :-), posted by Phillipa on April 2, 2006, at 14:48:49
Actually, it might be better if people 'monitor' the boards they *don't* normally post on. No conflict of interest there.
Posted by 10derHeart on April 3, 2006, at 17:13:21
In reply to Re: actually » Phillipa, posted by AuntieMel on April 3, 2006, at 9:20:18
Posted by Phillipa on April 3, 2006, at 20:50:44
In reply to Re: actually » Phillipa, posted by AuntieMel on April 3, 2006, at 9:20:18
That makes sense to me too. Boy I'm learning a lot on this thread. Love phillipa
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2006, at 7:01:12
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by Sobriquet Style on April 2, 2006, at 8:23:40
> he couldn't even tell the prospectives of how he was planning on running this BEFORE posting it to the boards.
>
> special_kI'm sorry if anyone felt hurt, but I did try. Even if there were only 2 volunteers:
> > Volunteers should *not* assume that satisfying the above requirements means they'd automatically be selected.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20060111/msgs/606866.html
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> IMHO, all three should get the job.
>
> Sobriquet StyleI suppose that could be an option, too, but then what if next time the number of positions isn't expanded to include everyone?
Bob
Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 8, 2006, at 17:36:09
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators, posted by Dr. Bob on April 8, 2006, at 7:01:12
>I suppose that could be an option, too, but then what if next time the number of positions isn't expanded to include everyone?
First-come, first-served? Thinking about it, that may have flaws..
Like a job offer, i'm not sure if this happened this time around, but maybe when the openings come up again there might be a rough figure you're willing to take on. Eg openings for X amount of deputies etc.
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Posted by Sobriquet Style on April 8, 2006, at 17:43:30
In reply to Re: openings for deputy administrators » Dr. Bob, posted by Sobriquet Style on April 8, 2006, at 17:36:09
>Like a job offer, i'm not sure if this happened this time around, but maybe when the openings come up again there might be a rough figure you're willing to take on. Eg openings for X amount of deputies etc.
Forget that ^ I just read the thread LOL
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