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Posted by AuntieMel on January 9, 2006, at 9:16:34
In reply to Re: showing larry proper support » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2006, at 3:27:53
Posted by wildcard on January 9, 2006, at 9:18:05
In reply to Re: showing larry proper support » Dr. Bob, posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2006, at 3:27:53
I thought so too but Dinah has a point also.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2006, at 10:07:44
In reply to Re: good question (nm) » Gabbix2, posted by AuntieMel on January 9, 2006, at 9:16:34
Yeah, I'll get an answer like
"well little girl, because that's what I did"And I will grit my teeth.. and wonder why the heck I got drawn back in here when so many people get hurt by the rules
Psychobabble -- if you weren't crazy when you arrived.. just you wait til you try to make sense of the civility determinations!Ah Harold you were *so* right.
I goofed.
Posted by muffled on January 9, 2006, at 11:56:12
In reply to Re: showing larry proper support, posted by Dr. Bob on January 9, 2006, at 2:59:22
> > that people might be thinking (consciously or unconsciously) that in order to show larry proper support... one must be mad at dr-bob...
***I'm not mad at Dr. Bob, just wish there was an easier way.
>
> And/or others on "my" side?**OH OH, don't bring up the taking sides thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm a Mom!!!!!!!Naughty Bob.
>
> I do think a problem with blocks, maybe because it's so black-and-white, being able to post vs. not, is that they can polarize the community. "Moderating" posters has been proposed before, but it would be too much for me. But what if another poster were willing to do that?***YES!! What about a greater use of pbc's? before blocking? I dunno, guess there's a time factor too though.
Hmmmmmmmmm. Not so easy. My pea brain hurts.
Just what does 'moderating posters mean?'Muffled
Posted by spriggy on January 9, 2006, at 15:47:53
In reply to Ideas? » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on January 9, 2006, at 11:56:12
heard from him?
I can do nothing about his block except avoid this place myself until he returns or his block is either lifted or the time lessened.
I just think the entire thing is so unfair, I can do nothing else about my concern's but remove myself.
Posted by wildcard on January 9, 2006, at 16:29:46
In reply to well, I'm worried about Larry.. Has anyone, posted by spriggy on January 9, 2006, at 15:47:53
yeah and he seems like his old self. I'm reading my emails now ;-)
Posted by Deneb on January 9, 2006, at 17:07:32
In reply to well, I'm worried about Larry.. Has anyone, posted by spriggy on January 9, 2006, at 15:47:53
> heard from him?
>
> I can do nothing about his block except avoid this place myself until he returns or his block is either lifted or the time lessened.
>
> I just think the entire thing is so unfair, I can do nothing else about my concern's but remove myself.I'm heard from Larry. In fact, i spoke with him over the phone today. Larry is doing fine. He's more upset about how people are hurting over his block than anything else.
Deneb
Posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2006, at 17:37:57
In reply to I've heard from Larry, posted by Deneb on January 9, 2006, at 17:07:32
I've E-mailed with him too. He says he's doing okay. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by spriggy on January 9, 2006, at 18:15:54
In reply to Re: I've heard from Larry, posted by Phillipa on January 9, 2006, at 17:37:57
Posted by muffled on January 9, 2006, at 18:56:20
In reply to glad he's okay... I'm not. (nm), posted by spriggy on January 9, 2006, at 18:15:54
Whassup spriggy? I'm muffled. Dunno whether I've actually spoken to you b4. I have a slightly pickled brain. Love you posts though.
Take care,
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 2:17:20
In reply to Ideas? » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on January 9, 2006, at 11:56:12
> > And/or others on "my" side?
>
> **OH OH, don't bring up the taking sides thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm a Mom!!!!!!!Naughty Bob.Sorry about that. :-) How do you deal with it as a Mom?
> > I do think a problem with blocks, maybe because it's so black-and-white, being able to post vs. not, is that they can polarize the community. "Moderating" posters has been proposed before, but it would be too much for me. But what if another poster were willing to do that?
>
> Just what does 'moderating posters mean?'What I was thinking was, their posts would have to go through someone else (be approved by them) before being posted. Like having a mandatory "civility buddy".
Bob
Posted by crazy teresa on January 10, 2006, at 7:29:40
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 2:17:20
If not all, then how are the lucky ones chosen?
Posted by teejay on January 10, 2006, at 8:58:13
In reply to Larry's Block and a civil atmosphere, posted by Nickengland on January 8, 2006, at 12:16:45
Well I can only speak for myself, but i've said many times that I find the admin board a very negative place to come!
Someone mentioned to me yesterday however that lar had been blocked so I came here briefly today to see why. I'm none the wiser now but lar, if you are listening mate.......there are stacks of people on here who really, really appreciate and in fact need your input and as such I feel getting into wrangles on the admin board doesnt do you any favours and lets those who rely on your input down.
I have to say though having scrolled down this board to find this thread that I dont like the increasingly rigid way in which this whole site is being run.....log this, store that, notify isp the other etc etc. I get the distinct impression that the smooth running of the site is more important that people actually being helped..........i'm sure thats not the case, but it IS how i'm beginning to think of babble.
I wonder for example how many people are reluctant to really express how they feel or detail their symptoms for fear of their posts being kept or logged and identified at a later date. There are occasions when I feel at my worst and would love to just pour it all out on here but the fact it doesnt just fade into the ether over the following days prevents me doing this........I doubt i'm the only one who feels this way?
Regards
TJ
Posted by Berberis on January 10, 2006, at 9:57:46
In reply to Re: Larry's Block and a civil atmosphere, posted by teejay on January 10, 2006, at 8:58:13
> I wonder for example how many people are reluctant to really express how they feel or detail their symptoms for fear of their posts being kept or logged and identified at a later date. There are occasions when I feel at my worst and would love to just pour it all out on here but the fact it doesnt just fade into the ether over the following days prevents me doing this........I doubt i'm the only one who feels this way?
>
Believe me, you're not the only one! I just changed my posting name for that very reason. I've regretted several times posting when I was particularly vulnerable. It's upsetting knowing those posts will never "fade into the ether" as you say.
Posted by thuso on January 10, 2006, at 20:24:34
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 2:17:20
> What I was thinking was, their posts would have to go through someone else (be approved by them) before being posted. Like having a mandatory "civility buddy".
>
> BobWould everyone have to have one of these or just those who have been blocked? Say...if you've gotten a 6 week block, from now on you have to have posts go through a "civility buddy"?
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 23:06:22
In reply to Re: Ideas? » Dr. Bob, posted by thuso on January 10, 2006, at 20:24:34
> > What I was thinking was, their posts would have to go through someone else (be approved by them) before being posted. Like having a mandatory "civility buddy".
>
> Would everyone have to have one of these or just those who have been blocked? Say...if you've gotten a 6 week block, from now on you have to have posts go through a "civility buddy"?Not everyone, I was thinking it could be an alternative to being blocked. It could even be up to the poster, to be blocked for 6 or moderated for 12. Or something like that.
Bob
Posted by thuso on January 10, 2006, at 23:27:50
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 23:06:22
> Not everyone, I was thinking it could be an alternative to being blocked. It could even be up to the poster, to be blocked for 6 or moderated for 12. Or something like that.
>
> BobHere's another option for you to consider. Say a person is blocked for 4 weeks. They could have the choice of either being blocked for the entire 4 weeks or being blocked for 2 weeks and moderated for 4 weeks. Kind of like a probation. That way the person being blocked is still "punished" for their offense. Basically, if they chose the moderated route, they would still have the block for 1/2 the time and then they would be moderated for whatever the length of the original block was. (i.e. the punishment would be 1 1/2 times as long as if they took only the block)
I personally would call 12 weeks of being moderated with no block just a slap on the wrist. I'd take that over a full block without a doubt! And if I knew I had the choice between the two...I would be less cautious in my choice of words within certain posts or with certain posters. If I knew I had a choice, I could easily behave myself for 12 weeks. Being uncivil by letting out some frustration would totally be worth it to me if I only had to worry about being moderated for 12 weeks. Being uncivl wouldn't be worth it to me if I was blocked for 6 weeks.
ummmm...on second thought...maybe I shouldn't have publicly announced that, just in case you do decide to give us a moderated choice. hahaha! :-P
Posted by Jakeman on January 11, 2006, at 21:20:18
In reply to Re: Larry's Block and a civil atmosphere » teejay, posted by Berberis on January 10, 2006, at 9:57:46
> > I wonder for example how many people are reluctant to really express how they feel or detail their symptoms for fear of their posts being kept or logged and identified at a later date. There are occasions when I feel at my worst and would love to just pour it all out on here but the fact it doesnt just fade into the ether over the following days prevents me doing this........I doubt i'm the only one who feels this way?
> >
> Believe me, you're not the only one! I just changed my posting name for that very reason. I've regretted several times posting when I was particularly vulnerable. It's upsetting knowing those posts will never "fade into the ether" as you say.I agree... myself and others have posted our concerns on this issue. The fact is, when you post on Psycho-babble it is permanently recorded in Goggle and other databases and may stay there forever for everyone to see.
~Jake
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 11, 2006, at 22:51:37
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 23:06:22
I really like that idea a lot. I wouldn't consider it a "slap on the wrist", actually having to go through a civility buddy would probably lessen the amount I post drastically, as well as annoy the hell out of me.
However, it's really nice to know that if someone is having a hard time, that they aren't shut off from the community, the way they are when blocked
Thanks for being open to alternatives.
Posted by Deneb on January 11, 2006, at 23:15:19
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 23:06:22
> Not everyone, I was thinking it could be an alternative to being blocked. It could even be up to the poster, to be blocked for 6 or moderated for 12. Or something like that.
>
> BobI really like that idea Dr. Bob. I think being moderated will better teach one how to be civil. I find that after a long block I can forget the reason I was blocked for. With moderated posts, people will learn how to be civil in all ways and be able to practice being civil.
Deneb
Posted by muffled on January 12, 2006, at 9:40:30
In reply to Re: Ideas?, posted by Dr. Bob on January 10, 2006, at 23:06:22
this, sorry I'm no help. Keeping away mostly for now.
Take care,
Muffled
Posted by MidnightBlue on February 3, 2007, at 16:37:50
In reply to Re: that 'to do' list, posted by Dr. Bob on January 29, 2007, at 22:55:51
Dr. Bob,
So are you suggesting that a "moderator/civility buddy" would screen someone's posts if they get a PBC? Would this moderator/civility buddy have the ability to approve or disapprove the publishing of posts by uncivil people? How long a lag time would there be between initial post and publishing? This sounds like one more job for our overtaxed deputies.
Some of the Yahoo groups are set up so that all posts have to be approved. There is also the provision to unmoderate someone if they are considered trustworthy, or if the site isn't concerned about post content. It is hard to get that balance between freedom and civility.
Still waiting for those trigger flags....
Midnightblue
Posted by muffled on February 3, 2007, at 16:37:51
In reply to Re: that 'to do' list » Dr. Bob, posted by MidnightBlue on January 29, 2007, at 23:31:03
Sigh, blocks are so awful.
Glad Bob is trying to consider alternatives...
Anything but blocks is good I guess.
But I dunno how this civility buddy will quite work?
Depending on the poster etc, it could be alot of work?
And then remaining neutral could be a challenge.
And I dunno, but I don't think I could do such a thing cuz I'd get overwhelmed. Its alot of resposibility, and what if you screw up???????
And then what if someone was gonna get blocked but noone stepped forward to be their civility buddy? How hurtful that would be....
Mebbe I not seeing it right?
Or mebbe they should be able to post a set # of posts/wk? Thats saying if anybody ever volunteered for such a job...
Yup, back on my wagon of saying cap the blocks at one week etc, you've all heard it b4. SO much easier.....
But I been wrong before.
Muffled
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 3, 2007, at 23:48:29
In reply to Re: that 'to do' list, posted by muffled on January 30, 2007, at 0:02:05
> So are you suggesting that a "moderator/civility buddy" would screen someone's posts if they get a PBC? Would this moderator/civility buddy have the ability to approve or disapprove the publishing of posts by uncivil people? How long a lag time would there be between initial post and publishing? This sounds like one more job for our overtaxed deputies.
Right, they'd either approve them or not. They'd be "published" as soon as they were approved. I agree, the deputies have enough to do already, I was thinking anyone could volunteer.
> It is hard to get that balance between freedom and civility.
>
> MidnightblueIt sure is!
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> Depending on the poster etc, it could be alot of work?
> And then remaining neutral could be a challenge.
> And I dunno, but I don't think I could do such a thing cuz I'd get overwhelmed. Its alot of resposibility, and what if you screw up???????
> And then what if someone was gonna get blocked but noone stepped forward to be their civility buddy? How hurtful that would be....
>
> MuffledI agree, it could be a lot of work if they tried to post a lot. If their buddy said something, they might let up a little? Or maybe another buddy could take over after a while.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by "remaining neutral"...
If someone would be overwhelmed, it might be better if they didn't volunteer. Approving an uncivil post might be treated like posting an uncivil post, and they might be blocked themselves.
I agree, it might hurt if no one stepped forward. But sometimes people ask questions and no one answers. There isn't *always* support here. But at least there's the possibility.
Bob
Posted by muffled on February 4, 2007, at 10:14:48
In reply to Re: a mandatory civility buddy, posted by Dr. Bob on February 3, 2007, at 23:48:29
Its an interesting utopian idea Bob. But I just can't see it working...:( But mebbe its just where I at right now.
Once again, the basic 1 wk would be the simplest......
Thanks.
Muffled
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