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Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 6:49:20
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » Nickengland, posted by gabbii on August 4, 2005, at 21:26:59
Hello Gabbii
>There is no relevence in that statement to this discussion at all.
Well in actual fact there is complete relevence to the discussion. To suggest what I say has no relevence and then offer no further comment is of course your free will.
I'll expalin the relevence. I said this....
>Finally if you really detest the practice and function of this site so badly that you just want to see it shut down and no matter what happens you just don't like what goes on here.....well being a hetrosexual male i'm not into wearing pink knickers, for this reason I dont hang around the places that sell them.
Hence, "detest the practice and function of this site so badly that you just want to see it shut down and no matter what happens you just don't like what goes on here"
I then said...
"well being a hetrosexual male i'm not into wearing pink knickers, for this reason I dont hang around the places that sell them."
You then explained that people should not have to feel like they have to go elsewhere just because they critisise. I agreed.
Now I felt that you wasn't just making a sweeping general statement but replying to what I had to say. The point is when I made that statement I had in mind what 'so' said when he stated that the site should be shut down.
The point with my statement and how it is relevent is that I have only made the suggestion that if someone says that.. 'we will all have to go elsewhere because the site should be shut down' -that is my only motives in what I said and why I did.
If you choose to say people should not have to go elsewhere and i agree - thats good yes? When I say, i'm saying 'so' said the site should be shut down, "we would all have to go elsewhere" I then suggest perhaps people who think this would be better elsewhere. You defend 'so' and will not commnet that indeed he is saying you would have to go elsewhere. Why single me out when he drew first blood if you like? Thats the irony. Thats the relevence
I think its admirable that you can say what you do and indeed you have taught me valuable lessons in this discussion.
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 6:51:15
In reply to Re: Am I watching Jerry Springer??????, posted by crazy teresa on August 4, 2005, at 20:09:30
Thats ok Teresa :-)
Posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 6:58:05
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » gabbii, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 6:49:20
> well being a hetrosexual male i'm not into wearing pink knickers,
i don't appreciate the implication that gay men are into wearing pink knickers (nor, for that matter, the one that straight men automatically are not).
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 7:51:01
In reply to Dr. Bob, I don't think this is civil (post by Nick, posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 6:58:05
Hi crushedout
Would you then appreciate it if I was to re-phrase the example then?..I'll happy to do that for you and anyone else.
I did not intend to discriminate gay men at all. I was saying 'I' do not wear pink knickers...and I was saying 'I' am hetrosexual.
I would feel it is uncivil if i cannot post my sexual preference and what underwear I wear....
I'm sure If this was in social I wouldn't get PBC for this, as in asking a 'what kind of underwear do you wear survey' or 'what is your sexual preference.' and even if the 2 are linked.
Am I not alowed to say what colour underwear I wear and what type i do then? (in your view)
Also am I not allowed to say what my sexual preference is? (in your view)
Also what if I said I was a hetrosexual male and I do like wearing pink knickers? Thats ok or not?...
Posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 7:58:36
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, I don't think this is civil (post by Nick » crushedout, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 7:51:01
if you said, "i'm straight *and* i don't like to wear pink knickers" that wouldn't have bothered me one bit. you used the word "being" which implies that all straight men don't like to wear pink knickers, which also implies that men who aren't straight do.
i think you know that perfectly well.
and you might want to think about your assumptions.
i would have asked dr. bob for a civility determination regardless of the board you posted it on.
kind regards,
crushedout
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 8:20:24
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, I don't think this is civil (post by » Nickengland, posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 7:58:36
I wasn't trying to imply anything though and gay people were the last thing on my mind at the time of writing that statement. In your eyes I made the mistake of using the word 'being' I appologise for using the word 'being' then. I never realised at the time it could have such implications.
>and you might want to think about your assumptions.
Likewise - xxx I worked in a bar/restaurant for many months which was owned by gays. I worked along side gay men. I have no problem what so ever of gay people, be it women or men. If your assuming that I am homophobic, then please say. I'm sure my ex-employers will say otherwise and the gay friends I have. If you are not assuming that, then sorry that I am jumping to conclusions but that is the feeling I am getting.
Otherwise, again I am sorry for using the word 'being'
I see that the only implications of your post are to get me a PBC. I would hope you could ask me directly, but of course I respect the fact you wish to communicate with Dr Bob on this and appreicate you replying to me.
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 8:37:43
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob, I don't think this is civil (post by » Nickengland, posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 7:58:36
...In this thread or in babble.
I realise I have set myself a trap here which I did not mean to do and have now opened myself up to possible attacks. I say trap as I dont know what other word to use. Potential for attacks? I really don't know, I don't regret anything i've said, as otherwise I would not have learned from this discussion.
This will only result in bad feeling if it continues. I don't want bad feelings for anyone here.
I'm not going to say I will not post anymore on the subjects i've raised but all I will say is I do not want bad feeling or to fall out with people where possible. I realise perhaps some people may not choose to want to communinate with me nicely for some of the things i've said in this thread and i'm sorry for that.
Make me out to be the bad guy if you like and perhaps I am, as of course i don't claim to be perfect. I know these things end with people doing the "do not post" stuff though and PBC's and then blocks happen and god knows what. I don't want that to happen where it is in my power to stop it. This message is about as much power as I have to stop it right now, so better said than not.
Peace
Nick
Posted by Slinky on August 5, 2005, at 11:38:26
In reply to I don't want to make any enemies here..., posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 8:37:43
Hi Nick..
..My problem is my white knickers got in the washing machine with red clothes now ther're all pink..I'm straight now but sometimes I think I'm bisexual..so is that because pink knickers affect my sexual preference..pink sure is a magic colour.
Checking..........
Hmm.. today I'm wearing pink ..Regards Slinky
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 12:09:05
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » gabbii, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 6:49:20
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> If you choose to say people should not have to go elsewhere and i agree - thats good yes? When I say, i'm saying 'so' said the site should be shut down, "we would all have to go elsewhere" I then suggest perhaps people who think this would be better elsewhere.You defend 'so' and will not commnet that indeed he is saying you would have to go elsewhere.
I have nothing to do with that Nick, it's his comment, I did not defend it, you are the one who for some reason thinks I agreed his every word. I didn't join the "So party" I valued much of what he had to say, there's a difference.
> Why single me out when he drew first blood if you like? Thats the irony. Thats the relevenceI disagreed with him at times too Nick.
However when you use words like "drew blood" and "singled out"
I realize that you are likely taking this far more personally than was ever intended.
I was saying I didn't think it was beneficial for it to be suggested that everyone who criticizes the site go elsewhere.
I was not attacking you, drawing blood, or singleing you out I didn't have SO in mind.I suggested this because I was referring to a post of yours to Barosky. You'd said basically if something wasn't to your taste you go elsewhere..
I'm not a mind reader, I didn't know that in your post to Barosky you were actually referring to So. I had no desire to get into an entirely different discussion about So's intentions..Now let's drop this please
I can't seem to make my point without you feeling persecuted, or without SO being brought into it.>
> I think its admirable that you can say what you do and indeed you have taught me valuable lessons in this discussion.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Nick
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 14:46:45
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » Nickengland, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 12:09:05
Yep its definately got way out of hand, I agree. I mean this was all because I saw a coincidence in the first place and barosky seemed to agree to that....
I am aware that you have a low tolerance of speculation for other posters to who you care about and you may have taken this personally too. If I choose to post about another poster though, i'm not responsible for your low tolerance levels if you know what I mean, but I'll do my best to avoid raising them.
Consider your part in this discussion dropped then....I can't stop you replying though ;-) I only say 'your' part by the way because i'm not sure if others will have any more problems with what I have to say, I mean being the fact that 'being' might be uncivil in some peoples eyes I begin to question my own sanity as I type this, that perhaps someone is now going to find a part of this uncivil.
I realise now theres a good chance you never want to speak about 'so' again, certainly not with me anyway. But i'd love to know which issues you valued so much that he had to say, bearing in mind you valued so much of what he had to say....Perhaps another time....in the mean time I hope I haven't upset you too much..
Warm regards
Nick
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 14:55:52
In reply to Re: I don't want to make any enemies here... » Nickengland, posted by Slinky on August 5, 2005, at 11:38:26
Slinky... I was/am speechless. Excellent, absolutely brillant. You never seize to amaze me :-)
That is just the diversion I needed in my thoughts to take me off of this subject..
Regards to you too
Nick
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 16:00:35
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » gabbii, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 14:46:45
> I am aware that you have a low tolerance of speculation for other posters to who you care about and you may have taken this personally too.
When I made that statement I was referring to a female poster who's been here for over a year
(that's why I said regular babblers)
I won't say her name, but she knows who she is.
No, I didn't take this personally. I was frustrated that the original topic I'd adressed changed into a discussion of specific incidents, with particular posters. If the original post had offered any indication of that, I would not have responded.
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 16:45:05
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » Nickengland, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 16:00:35
I was kinda frustrated that the original topic of my discussion went way off too and I ended up explaining why I had to say things like 'kind regards' etc
Anyway, thats quite enough negativity for oneday.
Give me an update though if you'd be so kind - do I owe you an appology, more importantly, would you accept?
Posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 17:08:21
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » Nickengland, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 16:00:35
If it's me, I'm sorry for anything I said.
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:10:23
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » gabbii, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 16:45:05
> I was kinda frustrated that the original topic of my discussion went way off too and I ended up explaining why I had to say things like 'kind regards' etc
>
> Anyway, thats quite enough negativity for oneday.
>
Heartily agreed!
> Give me an update though if you'd be so kind - do I owe you an appology, more importantly, would you accept?No, no apology necessary Nick, let's just forget the whole messy thing okay?
Thanks much.
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:16:54
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » gabbii, posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 17:08:21
> If it's me, I'm sorry for anything I said.
>
>Auntie Mel?
Are you okay? Oh my, this had nothing remotely to do with you.
And if something you had said upset me, I'd discuss it with you. On the outside it may look b*tchy, but I'll say if I'm offended, but I'd rather be able to be out with it, and possibly clear it up, rather than have someone think I'm stewing.
Posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 17:31:20
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » AuntieMel, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:16:54
it's one of my favorite qualities in a person. :)
Posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 17:46:49
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » Nickengland, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:10:23
Have you ever woken up from one of those disgusting hangovers from drinking loads of alcohol - only to say......
"Oh, No...Never...Ever again am I going to put myself through that again..Aarrhhhhhh!!!"
Thats kind a like how I feel after ending a heated debate here on good old administration lol
Oh man, there certainly is a lovely warm relief i'm feeling now this is over. Beautiful :-)
So glad everything has ended well with us Gabbii...
My mood have been pretty sensitive lately as I've been adapting to new medication. I know this is really not relevant at all to anything, but well, maybe its been reflected in my posts. I honestly do think i'm seroiusly losing my mind sometimes with the things I talk about on here, I must of really made myself look like a prick....I honestly feel i do have to say sorry, I shouldn't be making people feel frustrated because of my life situation right now...its not quite right.This is even more irrevelent lol I can't believe I havent noticed it before...I'm mostly talking to women in Admin right? I honestly do think I have lost the plot...As in - I should not be arguing with women! Bloody hell no wonder i'm single. Seriously I actually forget i'm talking with females i think and then vent my anger out like I was talking to a man. Its not right, for one thing, in real life i'd be competing with the man and chatting up the lady. Now i'm totally confused and on that note on leaving lol
Take care xXx
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:52:07
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 17:46:49
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> So glad everything has ended well with us Gabbii...
>, I shouldn't be making people feel frustrated because of my life situation right now...its not quite right.
>
> This is even more irrevelent lol I can't believe I havent noticed it before...I'm mostly talking to women in Admin right? I honestly do think I have lost the plot...As in - I should not be arguing with women! Bloody hell no wonder i'm single. Seriously I actually forget i'm talking with females i think and then vent my anger out like I was talking to a man. Its not right, for one thing, in real life i'd be competing with the man and chatting up the lady. Now i'm totally confused and on that note on leaving lol
>Gabbi is a fragile blossom, no venting anger on her, you must defer and be delicate at all times.
(or she'll knock you upside the head) *smile*
Posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 18:03:44
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » AuntieMel, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:16:54
I hoped not, but I wasn't sure. We seemed to be miscommunicating a bit there on CT's block.
Very relieved.
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 18:03:45
In reply to i like that about you » gabbii, posted by crushedout on August 5, 2005, at 17:31:20
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> it's one of my favorite qualities in a person. :)Thank you
It's one of mine too, I mean not every little thing needs to be said, but if it's enough to affect a relationship, it's important to me.
Thanks miss OUT
Posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 18:06:02
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic, posted by Nickengland on August 5, 2005, at 17:46:49
Ane that is what makes for true equality of the sexes. When you can vent just as much without thinking about it.
Posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 18:17:20
In reply to Re: I think it's ironic » AuntieMel, posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 17:16:54
I have been more stressed than usual, so probably touchy
Posted by gabbii on August 5, 2005, at 18:34:19
In reply to Re: And » gabbii, posted by AuntieMel on August 5, 2005, at 18:17:20
> I have been more stressed than usual, so probably touchy
I didn't think it was touchy, I was worried that you were depressed, when I start becoming depressed I become ultra sensitive and think I'm being rejected everywhere.
I'm not sure where we miscommunicated on CTs block, (which means we must have)
But I can assure you, even if we had, even if we had disagreed, it wouldn't be enough for me to be be angry with you, never mind, for days!!
no no no no no...
I can probably count on one hand the times I've been angry enough at someone here to have it actually carry over into my interaction with them.Plus I like you Auntie Mel.
Posted by Dr. Bob on August 6, 2005, at 0:31:10
In reply to Re: THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!, posted by barosky on August 3, 2005, at 16:38:35
> I am vehemently opposed to Dr. Bob's strict policies
Sorry, but when you're blocked, you're not supposed to post. The last time you were blocked it was for 9 weeks, so this time it's for 18.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#names
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