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Posted by Angel Girl on January 15, 2005, at 4:06:39
In reply to Re: Lou's resp[onse to Angel Girl's post-beachrstntose » Lou Pilder, posted by NikkiT2 on January 14, 2005, at 14:45:24
> Lou., I'm not a Christian but I can see why someone who is would be very very upset by having that word next to their name.
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> Maybe you could try thinking of it in the terms of using a word that you may fund offensive, being a Jew, but that someone who wasn't a Jew wouldn't find offensive.
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> I did, in the original version of this, include an example, but I have removed that as I thougt you would probably be offended, but if you would like me to do so, just say.
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> Nikki
NikkiThank you for your support. Even if Lou does not understand how he has incredibly offended me, I have made that abundantly clear and have asked him to remove the word. Instead there is an asterisk to replace the first letter. Is that to lead others to not know what that word is? I think NOT!!! I can't tell you how much I am hurt. I went to sleep and when I woke up, this is the very first thought that came to my mind. I do not understand why Lou will not comply with my wishes. He gets very upset when he feels he is being offended, can he not understand when it happens to someone else. I feel he does not understand the level of my being upset although the use of capitals in my replies and the words I have used should've been sufficient. I have been in tears over this. If he wants others to understand his feelings of being offended, well, he must also understand others feelings also and when he continued with the suject of the thread, that upset and angered me all the more. I can not believe the level of insensitivity that has been shown towards me and yet he still doesn't 'get it'.
AG
Posted by Angel Girl on January 15, 2005, at 4:09:51
In reply to Re: Lou's Shorthand, posted by TofuEmmy on January 14, 2005, at 15:31:41
> Lou - I noticed that you used "beachrstntose" as shorthand. That has 13 letters. "antichristian" also has 13 letters so it could have easly been used instead of "antichrist". It fits right into your standards. I agree with those who say you owe an apology. I'm sure it was not intentional, but you obviously hit upon a sensitive issue.
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> emmy
emmyThank you for your support but putting the word anti-Christian beside my name would also have upset me because it could have been interpretted that *I* was anti-Christian instead of my feelings of the Faith board. I don't know what he could-ve used, maybe in this case NOTHING would-ve been better.
AG
Posted by Angel Girl on January 15, 2005, at 4:11:43
In reply to Lou's reply to TofuEmmy-sur~intent » TofuEmmy, posted by Lou Pilder on January 14, 2005, at 17:01:05
> TofuEmmy,
> You wrote,[...I'm sure it was not intentional...].
> That is correct. I do apologise for what has happened as a result of my shorthand. I will rephrase the line to:
> [...Lou's ressponse to Angel Girl antichristian?...]
> Lou
LouAbsolutely NOT. Read my last reply. Find something else and PLEASE be sensitive.
AG
Posted by Angel Girl on January 15, 2005, at 4:16:30
In reply to subject line woes » Angel Girl, posted by gardenergirl on January 14, 2005, at 17:36:33
> >
> > PLEASE E-MAIL DR BOB AND HAVE IT REMOVED IMMEDIATELY. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT AGAIN!!!
> >
> > AG
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> AG,
> I'm sorry you have been upset here on Babble. I had a similar experience with a subject line with my name in it and something I found offensive. I just wanted to point out that you could also email Dr. Bob and make the request yourself to have the word XXXd out.
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> Although I have to admit, in my case, the subject line stayed, and I had to look at it until the board archived. Fortunately, many people chipped in and posted a great deal to make the board archive faster. I don't know if that's still an option, but either or both are worth a try.
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> Take care,
> gg
>gg
I'm sorry that you found yourself in the same position. I did not occur to me until now that I also could e-mail Dr Bob and intend to do so. I am still unhappy with the way the subject line has been ammended.
I would also not be happy to see the subject remain and wait for the board to archive as people do look at the archives.
Thank you for your support.
AG
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 4:42:39
In reply to Re: Lou's resp[onse to Angel Girl's post-beachrstntose » NikkiT2, posted by Angel Girl on January 15, 2005, at 4:06:39
> I can not believe the level of insensitivity that has been shown towards me and yet he still doesn't 'get it'.
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to be civil before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 4:54:44
In reply to Re: Lou's resp[onse to Angel Girl's post-beachrstntose » Lou Pilder, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 14, 2005, at 17:54:28
> that particular statement is so heinous.
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> Coral> in this case I feel you have been very offensive to Angel Girl
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> Fallen4MyTPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
PS: The asterisk was my doing, I meant to say so before, sorry if that was confusing...
Posted by coral on January 15, 2005, at 7:02:30
In reply to Re: please be civil » Coral » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 4:54:44
Dr. Hsuing,
I accept my PBC. My comment was insensitive.
However, I do have a question. You changed the title of a post by changing a letter to an asterisk. I’m presuming you changed it because another poster felt hurt by it. Yet, the poster who originated the post was not given a PBC. If my memory serves, previously, you’ve indicated that the intent of the poster was not to be considered in your determinations since none of us are capable of truly knowing others’ intent and you have consistently dealt with what was written.
In this particular example, several posters indicated extreme discomfort with the title. So, whether the poster intended it to cause discomfort or not, the post itself was perceived as being hurtful. Should that not have been addressed as well?
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 13:30:33
In reply to Re: to Dr. Hsuing, posted by coral on January 15, 2005, at 7:02:30
> whether the poster intended it to cause discomfort or not, the post itself was perceived as being hurtful. Should that not have been addressed as well?
I thought he apologized...
Bob
Posted by coral on January 15, 2005, at 15:18:55
In reply to Re: feeling hurt, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 13:30:33
So, it's a matter of timing? If I'd apologized before you saw my post, does that mean I would not have gotten a PBC?
Coral
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 15:32:08
In reply to Re: feeling hurt, posted by coral on January 15, 2005, at 15:18:55
> So, it's a matter of timing? If I'd apologized before you saw my post, does that mean I would not have gotten a PBC?
It's not the answer to everything, but IMO an apology does go a long way...
Bob
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:42:39
In reply to Re: to Dr. Hsuing, posted by coral on January 15, 2005, at 7:02:30
I feel that by the civility rules the poster who had antichrist by the name of the one who was harmed by it should be blocked also (as does Coral) as SHE stated it made her feel hurt, put down, she has trouble sleeping because of it the term antichrist by here name... to me goes right to your civility rules. She felt put down by that..this is sad
> Dr. Hsuing,
>
> I accept my PBC. My comment was insensitive.
>
> However, I do have a question. You changed the title of a post by changing a letter to an asterisk. I’m presuming you changed it because another poster felt hurt by it. Yet, the poster who originated the post was not given a PBC. If my memory serves, previously, you’ve indicated that the intent of the poster was not to be considered in your determinations since none of us are capable of truly knowing others’ intent and you have consistently dealt with what was written.
>
> In this particular example, several posters indicated extreme discomfort with the title. So, whether the poster intended it to cause discomfort or not, the post itself was perceived as being hurtful. Should that not have been addressed as well?
>
>
>
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:43:58
In reply to Re: please be civil » Coral » Fallen4MyT, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 4:54:44
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> > that particular statement is so heinous.
> >
> > Coral
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> > in this case I feel you have been very offensive to Angel Girl
> >
> > Fallen4MyT
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> PS: The asterisk was my doing, I meant to say so before, sorry if that was confusing...
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 15, 2005, at 19:54:18
In reply to Re: to Dr. Hsuing/ AG » coral, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:42:39
How frustrating
(((Angel Girl)))
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 20:13:33
In reply to Angel Girl I'm sorry about your Block, posted by Gabbix2 on January 15, 2005, at 19:54:18
I am stumped and agree..I feel badly she was blocked as I do think she was harmed by words by another
> How frustrating
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> (((Angel Girl)))
>
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Posted by Gabbix2 on January 15, 2005, at 20:37:29
In reply to Re: Angel Girl I'm sorry about your Block, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 20:13:33
Well I'm not exactly stumped, it's part of the Babble word ballet, it's not what she said, it's that it wasn't worded in the *exact* manner acceptable by Dr. Bob. It's amazing once you learn the intricacies of the babble "I statements" what you can get away with, although the implentation of punishment is still pretty arbitrarary from what I see. It still doesn't mean I agree with the Babble Ballet though..
And I can't figure out why that post was blockworthy and this one was not
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439654.html
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 20:44:47
In reply to Re: Angel Girl I'm sorry about your Block, posted by Gabbix2 on January 15, 2005, at 20:37:29
Good Point I wish the poster that got blocked had just said I feel accused and had written Dr Bob...I agree also on the link you added...Its a ballet indeed :)
> Well I'm not exactly stumped, it's part of the Babble word ballet, it's not what she said, it's that it wasn't worded in the *exact* manner acceptable by Dr. Bob. It's amazing once you learn the intricacies of the babble "I statements" what you can get away with, although the implentation of punishment is still pretty arbitrarary from what I see. It still doesn't mean I agree with the Babble Ballet though..
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> And I can't figure out why that post was blockworthy and this one was not
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439654.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 16, 2005, at 7:41:15
In reply to Re: please be civil/ sorry dr bob on wording » Dr. Bob, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 15, 2005, at 19:43:58
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:03:53
In reply to Re: Lou you have HIGHLY OFFENDED ME!!!, posted by coral on January 14, 2005, at 10:56:14
You weren't the only one taken aback by Lou's choice of subject line. I'm pretty hard to stun, but that one takes the f*cking cake, Pilder. What in hell were you thinking? Atticus
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:14:07
In reply to Re: blocked for week » Angel Girl, posted by Dr. Bob on January 15, 2005, at 4:42:39
Jesus wept! This is unbelievable! Angel Girl is blocked for calling Lou Pilder insensitive, yet Lou Pilder receives NO punishment for what seems to me the incredibly insensitive act of putting the word "anti-christ" by her name in a subject heading? This strikes me as a new level of through-the-looking-glass logic for you, Dr. Bob. Were you hit in the head with a brick or something recently? Atticus
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2005, at 20:15:16
In reply to Re: Lou you have HIGHLY OFFENDED ME!!! » coral, posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:03:53
> I'm pretty hard to stun, but that one takes the f*cking cake, Pilder. What in hell were you thinking?
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:37:51
In reply to Re: please be civil » Atticus, posted by Dr. Bob on January 17, 2005, at 20:15:16
Fair enough on my PBC, Dr. Bob. But still, I don't understand why the person who used such a blatantly offensive term such as "Anti-Christ" in conjunction with an avowed Christian's PB name seems to be the only one walking away from this fracus unscathed by any administrative action on your part. Could you explain? It seems unambiguous to me that Angel Girl felt "hurt and put down." And she said so herself. So why isn't the person who put that word next to her name not being blocked or even PBCed? I don't understand this at all. Atticus
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:02:26
In reply to Re: please be civil » Dr. Bob, posted by Atticus on January 17, 2005, at 20:37:51
Pardon me for intruding, but I think it was because Lou apologized straight away and explained himeself. Dr. Bob often overlooks giving P.B.Cs if people apologize.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 17, 2005, at 21:06:23
In reply to Re: please be civil » Atticus, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:02:26
Yup. I am sure I have 'gotten away' with a thing or two in virtue of having genuinely apologised BEFORE he followed the thread / got to the end of it...
Posted by gardenergirl on January 17, 2005, at 22:08:13
In reply to Re: please be civil » Atticus, posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 21:02:26
I'm not sure I would call it "straight away", but yes, he did apologize.
gg
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 17, 2005, at 22:24:03
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by gardenergirl on January 17, 2005, at 22:08:13
> I'm not sure I would call it "straight away", but yes, he did apologize.
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> ggWhoops! Yeah, I guess I should have looked at the thread again before I said anything.
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