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Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:56:15
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:15:41
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 20:35:46
How can you have the utmost respect for me? Do you have the utmost respect for a war lover with no feelings to be hurt by mere words?
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:28:18
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
> I understand your feelings. I hope you're able to understand mine. I am appalled at what will likely happen in the next four years to our country.
>
>I, and about 5 billion others on the planet, are more appalled at what your country will do to other peoples countries during the next 4 years.
Bring back Bill Clinton! :)
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:30:51
In reply to Re: I See (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 20:14:26
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 20:45:17
I hope that I have never conveyed that I do not understand how those who feel as many people on this site feel. I do.
But unless you feel that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were being disrespectful to you, objectifying you, leaping to unpleasant conclusions about who you were and what you believe, not to mention your worth as a human being and entitlement to basic human courtesy, then I don't think we're talking about the same thing at all.
If you do think that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were thinking those things, I can assure you that in my case it isn't true at all. I didn't make any assumptions about those who voted differently from me other than that they had a different idea about what was best for the country as a whole.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:37:49
In reply to What do you see? (nm) » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:30:51
And 51% of American voters.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
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> If you do think that those who made a different choice in the voting booth were thinking those things, I can assure you that in my case it isn't true at all.
>
>I'd really like to know what you were thinking about then. If it wasn't a pro-war feeling, then what was it? Was it the morals thing, ie, being anti-homosexual, or was it the tax cuts for the richest individuals & corportaions that really grabbed your vote?
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 21:59:06
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » yoshimi, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:15:41
Dinah
I respect you because I know that you have a good heart. I respect you because I respect many of your actions. I see you talk about where you are helping people and taking care of people and doing things that gain my respect. Lots of reasons.
I do not think of you as a war lover. I feel that maybe you are feeling that the feeligns i have towards our present administration are directed at you. THey are not. I am disappointed that so many people voted for Bush.
And I am very afraid for what will happen.I feel a lot of very strong feelings about this election. They feelings dont have anything to do with you. I know that many moderates voted for Bush. I dont hate them or feel anything towards them really except disappointment at this ONE
choice they made.Dinah you are a wonderful person. Im mostly a lurker nowadays, but i read a lot and I have read and posted here for years. I KNOW you aer a wonderful person. And Yes i do respect you.
Yoshimi
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:01:37
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
on that Diebold (*funny name eh?) machine:
"tap tap hello...Is this thing really on?"
Posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
In reply to Re: No, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 20:12:20
...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:06:10
In reply to I see what you think of me. » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:37:49
> And 51% of American voters.
>It's not that I don't like you, it's just that I feel you are being misled. Hilter was extremely popular in Germany before WW2, but I am sure that the majority of Germans would not have voted for him had they known what he ended up doing. It was the middle class that got him elected too.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:12:33
In reply to - what i was thinking when i voted » Sad Panda, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:01:37
> on that Diebold (*funny name eh?) machine:
>
> "tap tap hello...Is this thing really on?"
>LOL! :)
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:17:15
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
> ...to attach our government's policies to any individual voter. I do not assume that supporters of President Bush are war lovers, and I certainly don't claim to be standing on higher moral ground on account of my anti-war sentiments. If anything I'm offended by what I perceive to be the sanctimony of the Christian Right - the inference that supporters of George Bush are more moral, or that their values are truer. It would be pretty hypocritical for me to make the same claims for myself.
>
> Dinah's right - in the end we all vote based on what we think is best for our country - sadly, I just think there is such a huge divide between the conclusions drawn by those who voted for Mr. Bush and those who voted for Mr. Kerry.
>
>I know what you are saying, but it's been more than 3 years since 9/11 & Bush voters still don't understand why 9/11 happened.
Cheers,
Paul.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:27:56
In reply to It's a huge mistake... » Sad Panda, posted by mair on November 8, 2004, at 22:04:29
All I'm asking is to not be vilified. I appreciate that. I know how strongly you feel about the election.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
In reply to please come back, Dinah! :) » Dinah, posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 12:43:55
I just realized I had somehow not posted how much I appreciate your words.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 21:58:14
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
In reply to And have I stopped beating my wife? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
You give a very good impression of talking down to me. I don't think you are a husband/wife beater, but I might be concerned for her well being if he/she was in possession of some crude oil.
Posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 22:47:50
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » fayeroe, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 21:36:19
I didn't make any assumptions about those who voted differently from me other than that they had a different idea about what was best for the country as a whole.
~~Neither did I. Somehow I think you're trying to put words in my mouth, thoughts that I don't think. I'm sad for that.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Dinah, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 22:43:11
You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
Posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:51
In reply to And have I stopped beating my wife? (nm) » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:34:52
Dinah,
I am sure you know as well as anyone that politics brings these kind of discussions. People feel very strongly. I dont know how strongly you feel about how you voted or if you were ever on the fence about the election, but these kinds of discussions are goign to come up especially after the last election.
Im going to just make a suggestion, you can do with it what you will. If these kinds of discussions upset you this much, maybe you want to avoid them.
I am not angry at you, and I do respect you like I said. It seems that you werent happy with my last post either, or maybe you just didnt want to respond to my answer to your question whcih is completely up to you. But I just want to be absolutely clear that while I do like you and respect you and think you are wonderful, I am still very upset about this election. And am shocked that so many people in this country do not see what the vast majority of people outside the country see (and 49% here as well). Its
mindboggling to say the least.In any case, my feeling about the election has little to do with you. I am just trying to help you understand why so many people are so incredibly upset and angry and emotional about this election. So that you dont internalize it so much.
Yoshimi
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:56:40
In reply to Re: Do others now see? » Dinah, posted by fayeroe on November 8, 2004, at 22:47:50
Actually, I said that I didn't think you thought that, and that therefore the two issues were not the same.
Posted by JenStar on November 8, 2004, at 23:00:28
In reply to Thank you too, Jenstar., posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:29:46
(((Dinah)))
...although I apparently spoke too soon about the 'political talk' being over. Yikes!
I'm sorry that some people are making personal slurs instead of focusing on global issues. I think sometimes people get carried away and say things they (hopefully!) regret later.
Anyway, take care, take heart...the election talk MUST die down soon (hopefully!) and we can all get back to our regular business here...
JenStar
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:06:31
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by yoshimi on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:51
I was just distracted by the other poster, not attempting to ignore your post. I appreciate what you said.
I'm not sure I see any point to all of this. My point was to ask Dr. Bob if he considered this civil. Choosing not to read this type of post would not in any way make this better for me. It would just feel like people saying things behind my back. And while I know it's not directed to me in particular, the fact is that it's directed to me. If someone says all people who voted for Bush are XXX, then they are saying that I am XXX. They don't need to name me by name. If something is done to an entire class of people, it is done to a member of that class by default. I'm not taking it personally. I'm taking it as a statement about a class of people, of which I am one.
Posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife? » Sad Panda, posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 22:53:47
> You gave me a Hobson's choice list of reasons for voting for a candidate. My answer was merely offering you another. Why would you think that meant I was talking down to you? Did you expect me to say that I was pro war, antihomosexual, or in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy?
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> Those are hardly questions one would expect as prelude to an open and respectful dialog about ideas. Nor are references to Hitler or harming a spouse for oil.
>
>LOL!, you are the one posting all the highly insulting (nm) messages.
Posted by Dinah on November 8, 2004, at 23:09:19
In reply to Re: And have I stopped beating my wife?, posted by Sad Panda on November 8, 2004, at 23:07:23
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